Global Warming: What do you think? What do you know?

[monty]

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Hey h20 vapor is a worse green house gas than CO2, it trap even more heat.

I dont believe that. Moonshine is made by yeast fermenting a sugar source to produce ethanol and then separating the alcohol from the fermenting mixture (the mash) through distillation using a still. Moonshine made people go blind becasue of the ethonal. H20 does not make people go blind.

[mrsleeve]

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WTF are you talking about. The moonshine that made people go blind during prohibition was not really moon shine it was commercially available Rubbing alcohol thats made from wood not grain. Wood alcohol is waht makes you go blind and since the govt. banned normal spirits they turned to rubbing alcohol.

that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Now go sit in a fucking green house that is full of h20 vapors in the middle of summer tell me how that feels. Plants put tons upon tons of H2O in the the atmo everyday, through transpiration and you want millions of car to do the same, the whole planet will be a damm cloud thats hlolding all the fucking heat in. Ever notice in winter (or summer for that matter) nearly all cloudy nights are warmer than clear nights??? Want to know why that is clouds are H2O vapor and are acting as a blanket holding in the heat.

edit: real Kentucky moon shine is made form corn there sparky.

[monty]

Ok so my facts are wrong im no encyclopedia, just saying what I've heard. And it has to do with corn(ethanol) vs. water. Thank you oh wise one for correcting me though you would be more respected by me minus the the language. So are you saying plants are bad? Oh yes, if us humans werent here to cut down all the trees and habbitats the world would be doomed because of too much plant gas. Also it takes more fossil fuel to make the amount of ethanol that is produced. None the less, solar power.

[mrsleeve]

I use the "language" to drive home common sense points as a way of making them stand out in you mind as you read. It worked to it seems.

[monty]

Because the sun dont shine at night!!!!!!!!!!!! also I would think you would get shitty performance on a over cast day.

I drive a lot at night an also when its cloudy so you have a moot point for a solar car.

Thermal Mass Storage. Dont think just about your car, what about the way you heat your house, or the energy you get to use the computer you are on right now?

[monty]

I use the "language" to drive home common sense points as a way of making them stand out in you mind as you read. It worked to it seems.

You could have made the same point, just remove the f bombs, still says the same thing.

[mrsleeve]

Thermal Mass Storage. Dont think just about your car, what about the way you heat your house, or the energy you get to use the computer you are on right now?

this has been done since the early 80's with mirrors all pointing at one spot on a tower filled with oil in the ca desert somewhere. The spanish are doing it with water in the tower to make steam to spin turbine generators. Works very well durring the day. Its keeping enough heat over night to make the steam thats the issue. but over all that is a decent plan but not the best use of the land in many cases. It takes 100's of acres of mirrios an 10's of millions to build one of these things for much less power out put than a clean burring highly efficant coal plant. Coal is somethign we have in huge abundance, IIRC at our current rate of increasing use the coal deposits in the lower 48 alone will last 175 years (IIRC)

[monty]

Im just saying I think research should go more towards the solar side of things. Solar isnt just the sun, its all forms of natural energy including wind and water. If they can use chromosomes to clone sheep, then they should be able to take the greenhouse gas, filter it somehow, and make it more efficient.

[Farbin Kaiber]

And then I came back to the table with this;

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/23/earlyshow/main4036816.shtml?source=search_story

The hottest seller at that Costco at the moment? Fifty-pound bags of jasmine rice -- even though rice's price has gone through the roof. A 20 pound bag that sold for $9 just two months ago now goes for $16.

Other groceries are also way up over this time last year: flour by 13 percent, milk by 10 percent and eggs by 30 percent.

[Massive Lee]

Yup. Speculation on commodities.

Fuel is a commodity. So is rice and wheat. Money hungry Wall Street bastards trying to make a few bucks. What's next? Air?

[uofom3]

Yup. Speculation on commodities.

Fuel is a commodity. So is rice and wheat. Money hungry Wall Street bastards trying to make a few bucks. What's next? Air?

I'm not going to bag on someone for wanting to make a buck, but at some point it needs to be looked at for the good of the economy as a whole. A small business owner trying to increase market share is a much different capitalistic animal than those who have the ability to cripple an entire financial market.

I heard some great analysis the other day that I agreed with. They were saying that basically we as a society have been sold out on this oil thing by both the liberals and the conervatives.

The liberals have sold us out because we can't drill in a lot of places that we know have oil, nor are they big on using the national oil reserve; both of these things drasitcally hurt out supply which drives up the price.

The republicans have sold us out by not regulating prices and letting the oil companies run up their profits (brining in the speculators like Lee mentioned).

So, I guess it just depends on which one you fine more frustrating - but the net result is no different.

[rwh11385]

And then I came back to the table with this;

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...e=search_story

yes. and the worldwide hunger riots are caused solely by a few nations using ethanol to power their cars

has nothing to do with Chinese growth and their increase of appetite with their greater income taking food from poorer nations...

[Pinepig]

I'm not going to bag on someone for wanting to make a buck, but at some point it needs to be looked at for the good of the economy as a whole. A small business owner trying to increase market share is a much different capitalistic animal than those who have the ability to cripple an entire financial market.

I heard some great analysis the other day that I agreed with. They were saying that basically we as a society have been sold out on this oil thing by both the liberals and the conervatives.

The liberals have sold us out because we can't drill in a lot of places that we know have oil, nor are they big on using the national oil reserve; both of these things drasitcally hurt out supply which drives up the price.

The republicans have sold us out by not regulating prices and letting the oil companies run up their profits (brining in the speculators like Lee mentioned).

So, I guess it just depends on which one you fine more frustrating - but the net result is no different.

Don't blame the repubs for not enacting price controls, you dig on them for something else if you like.

They tried it once and guess what, there was no gas to be bought.

[Sean]

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WTF are you talking about. The moonshine that made people go blind during prohibition was not really moon shine it was commercially available Rubbing alcohol thats made from wood not grain. Wood alcohol is waht makes you go blind and since the govt. banned normal spirits they turned to rubbing alcohol.

that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Now go sit in a fucking green house that is full of h20 vapors in the middle of summer tell me how that feels. Plants put tons upon tons of H2O in the the atmo everyday, through transpiration and you want millions of car to do the same, the whole planet will be a damm cloud thats hlolding all the fucking heat in. Ever notice in winter (or summer for that matter) nearly all cloudy nights are warmer than clear nights??? Want to know why that is clouds are H2O vapor and are acting as a blanket holding in the heat.

edit: real Kentucky moon shine is made form corn there sparky.

Dude, that sounds like a bunch of crap. H20 covers like 75% of the earth...so you're saying that the weather cycle of earth if global warming?!

When I boil water, I'm destroying the Earth?! OMG!!! NOOO!!! I released h20 vapor into the air the other night when I boiled my dinner!!

Back that up with facts, and I might believe you. But, in case you don't know, vapor condenses and turns into rain...or freezes and falls as snow. But, you bring in some scientific reasoning to back this up, and I'll be happy to consider such an idea. But right now, it seems pretty illogical to me!

[n2motorsports]

has anyone seen "expedition alaska?" that's some worrisome stuff. areas that were once capped by glaicers are now sprouting up methane gas. polar bears and grizzly's are interbreeding (a hybrid was shot and killed last year).
personally, i don't know how much of an impact we humans have, i'm sure we've accelerated global warming to some degree, but i also believe that the earth just naturally goes through climatic changes of it's own.