Creation Thread

[Turf1600]

No, I think an organized method in which "Man" attempts to instill the tools of "God" and that does not work.

I don't want some English teacher taking 30 min out of third period to tell my child how a relationship with his maker is "supposed" to work. Or how the textbook says it happened.

You're not bad farbin.

I'd like to see a non biased world religion class - but that's not going to happen.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Because god is created in our image; not the other way around.

It actually says, let "US" (meaning more than one god) create man in our image.

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Sorry Turf.

[Turf1600]

It actually says, let "US" (meaning more than one god) create man in our image.

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Sorry Turf.

I'm not debating semantics - just that the idea of god (and all religion) changes as we see fit so that it's more comfortable to us.

[Farbin Kaiber]

You're not bad farbin.

I'd like to see a non biased world religion class - but that's not going to happen.

Thanks. I like to find the similarities in every religion. I know this kinda went off topic, but yeah, If humans could keep their own personal spin on everything we'd be better off.


And, I see what your saying up there.

[DarkWing6]

Creation Thread

If you want to discuss it do it here. I'm gonna move some posts from the Palin thread here.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Thanks DarkWing6, I was trying to get out of the topic over there.

[nando]

But is it not possable that that higher power has been making adjustments to his project, much as you do to your fuel maps and tables? Just making what you already did just a bit better, or more comfy in the cold.

Sorry, I'll get back on track.

I don't know about making adjustments - but I can entertain the possibility that a god or gods created the laws and rules that led to the big bang, the universe, evolution, etc. That seems like a more plausable "creation" theory to me than one that ignores hundreds of years of evidence that things have been here waaay before us. hell, the first scientists were christians.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Cool, that's more along the lines my inability to truly conceptualize the whole event ties to.

[devonjordan]

My only question then, is why does there have to be an initial creator?

[DarkWing6]

No, I think an organized method in which "Man" attempts to instill the tools of "God" and that does not work.

I don't want some English teacher taking 30 min out of third period to tell my child how a relationship with his maker is "supposed" to work. Or how the textbook says it happened.

I agree. We shouldn't put our own spin on God. I guess you are reading me as a Sunday School presentation to the class and not a scientific one. There is scientific proof of Creation (I don't have any sources off hand, but I know there are plenty). Teach it soley from the scientific side of things. Relationship with God doesn't even need to come up.

[Farbin Kaiber]

My only question then, is why does there have to be an initial creator?

Because, without an initial creator, there would be no laws to govern the methods in which the interactions created in existence.

Think The Matrix and the Architect, Didn't matter until the end, but was the integral factor for the existence of the matrix. Also allows the potential for a higher level of attainment from the one existing now.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I agree. We shouldn't put our own spin on God. I guess you are reading me as a Sunday School presentation to the class and not a scientific one. There is scientific proof of Creation (I don't have any sources off hand, but I know there are plenty). Teach it soley from the scientific side of things. Relationship with God doesn't even need to come up.

Without the understanding of the relationship, the understanding of the "rules" wouldn't jibe.

Think of teaching drivers training to students, but never explaining the relationship with police officers. So they know they can/can't, but there is no higher power (role/person) in which to understand the ultimate power they respect, and the officers wield.

[Turf1600]

When it comes down to it it's all not worth talking about. There's 5 ways to look at it;

God is real.
The big bang is real.
God is fake.
The big bang is fake.
NEITHER of them are explainable - thus making them equally unbelievable.

However, there's much more evidence supporting evolution and the big bang. God is an unexplainable solution to an unanswerable (currently) question. ie useless.

[Farbin Kaiber]

How not can the first two items co-exist?

[Turf1600]

How not can the first two items co-exist?

That wasn't my point - but i guess they can in someone's mind.