The moderator of Thursday's vice-presidential debate

[Vedubin01]

Old'n'slow is what I refer to my E30 M3 as, geniuses.

I suppose it makes about as much sense as a guy calling himself Vedubin on a BMW forum...:p

Actually I got that name from my 624hp VR6, its been on of my favorite cars to hate.

[Vedubin01]

Non sequitur.

hahaha you make me laugh!

[Aptyp]

Economics lesson: While Ford and GM are paying average $80 per hour in the states, Toyota spends $48 in the states. So does BMW, Hyundai, and Mercedes. Really weird how Unions have been disastrous to our own economy. With shipping, tariffs, taxes and building new manufacturing sites overseas, companies could pay American workers a little less and still pay well enough. I guess most people prefer Taco Bell paycheck versus a Ford paycheck.

You know, party of "Fatcats" is a nice way of looking at it. People who worked their way up the ladder or even generations of families that have made their money are republican. Those people are employers. Those people have lived and are living American dream. Clinton tried to create more "fatcats", doubt that was for GOP though. The weird part is that senate is comprised of millioners both democrats and republicans, and we're expected to believe that they have our interest on their side. You need to call "fatcats" as you see them, not by party affiliation. Nearly all southern states are republican, and it's not because rednecks all won lottery.

Yes Obama is better, because he's young forgetful naive. but he's hip. Horrible logic.

Again, you're getting at religious beliefs. If you're not a big fan of the first amendment, then God may help you. I am as agnostic as I could possibly get, but I don't go around trying to prove to people that Bible is bullshit. There's a quality called professionalism, like my ex-manager who was a Jehovah's witness, he never brought it up at work, I didn't even know about it until his wife knocked on my door one morning. I was annoyed, I politely told her what I thought and went back to my daily routine. I expect that professionalism from whomever gets elected. That has been the case, and that will be the case (just wait till Palin finds out that Jews run everything ).

Most corporations also do performance reviews, and if Obama had those on file (which he does) and that was handed out to every employer (voters), he would be laughed out of the building. I don't know if you watched the first debate, but McCain was very sharp, just as he is at townhalls all over US. His age is not an issue, it's just a way for weakminded people to point out something obvoious. We all know that he's old. Trust me, on the campaign trail, someone asking you about STDs would throw you off beat too. Not defending him there, but that was a series of very random questions to ask.





McCain/Palin could do plenty of things wrong. It would be idiotic for me to think that those two will save us from every threat. But I do know this, McCain can staff his office with both parties, because he has friends on both sides. I know that if Palin could handle an energy state, she can be useful on energy issues. If she could run as state and build surplus, she can sit back and travel around the world shaking hands and kissing babies. I cannot stress this enough, when I say that I wish that Biden was running and not Obama, but the fact that Biden toned down his opinions for an opportunity to get into White House, bothers me.

I do not like Obama, not a little bit, I didn't like the way he carried himself in the primaries, I didn't like how he couldn't stand up to Biden and Edwards. The more I learned about him the less I liked him. And the worst of all, and I'll retype it again, I CAN'T stand the lack of decisiveness on his part when it came to voting in state and federal senate. I don't like what he has done in Chicago, and I had a first hand experience while my parents lived there. I don't like that he's not humbled by the opportunity that he has. I don't like that he took money from lobbyists after running his mouth about not doing so. What's more, I really dislike the idea of having such a liberal president with a democratic congress. I and the country, can not benefit from a such partisan structure.

I simply don't trust Obama. I would vote for Hillary, because I know she's a cunning bitch, but at least that's a bitch that would stand up to anything. I would support Richardson, I would support many democrats, but not Obama.

Honestly, on republican side, during primaries, there were two candidates speaking that made sense. Crazy Ron Paul, and Maverick McCain. No one could predict McCain winning primaries. Everyone thought Mitt Romney (religious nutsack) would run, and I was amazed by McCain going out on a damn bus talking to people. He didn't pack stadiums, he talked to people at their town-halls. McCain has worked tirelessly to get his message across, and he didn't do it with soundbites. I respect the man. It's that simple.

I can not force myself to vote with my party, when I do not respect my candidate.

[Old'n'Slow]

Economics lesson: While Ford and GM are paying average $80 per hour in the states, Toyota spends $48 in the states. So does BMW, Hyundai, and Mercedes. Really weird how Unions have been disastrous to our own economy. With shipping, tariffs, taxes and building new manufacturing sites overseas, companies could pay American workers a little less and still pay well enough. I guess most people prefer Taco Bell paycheck versus a Ford paycheck.

You'd have us believe that overpaid union jobs were/are the norm. They are not.

You know, party of "Fatcats" is a nice way of looking at it. People who worked their way up the ladder or even generations of families that have made their money are republican.

I am an American entrepreneur. I own a small business. I am not a Republican, so apparently, I'm not yet rich. :)

Those people are employers. Those people have lived and are living American dream.

Yep. Got that one.

Lemme check.......nope, still not a Republican. Conservative? YES. But according to the Bible, even Jesus was a liberal, so I don't know why belief in ( the christian) God = GOP member.

Nearly all southern states are republican, and it's not because rednecks all won lottery.

I was born in the South and lived there for 20 years. The reason they vote GOP is that they're still afraid the Democratic n****r lovers and Jew lovers are gonna take their guns. God is on the side of the GOP, remember? :p

Again, you're getting at religious beliefs. If you're not a big fan of the first amendment, then God may help you.

What statement of mine led you to that conclusion? People in the US can say whatever they want. It doesn't mean I have to respect their position, only that I do not seek to deny them the right to say it.

I am as agnostic as I could possibly get, but I don't go around trying to prove to people that Bible is bullshit.

I never said it was bullshit, only that the idea of people in positions of high power that believe that an invisible man in the sky is really controlling everything, and that they are quite certain they are doing what the invisible man in the sky wants them to do, should, perhaps have their heads checked.

Trust me, on the campaign trail, someone asking you about STDs would throw you off beat too. Not defending him there, but that was a series of very random questions to ask.

You've been on the campaign trail?

John was being asked about his position on Abstinence Only education-hardly an obscure topic and one clearly dear to religious voters who support him. That curriculum doesn't speak of contraceptives like condoms. John was asked if believed certain forms of contraception can prevent the spread of HIV and he didn't have an answer! Come on! That's a Health 101 topic. Whatever the question, I expect someone who wants to be president to have a lucid, well thought out position on such issues and to be able to communicate them effectively. It's only professional!

McCain/Palin could do plenty of things wrong......<snip>

I can not force myself to vote with my party, when I do not respect my candidate.

I'm starting to think you don't like Obama. :)

[Aptyp]

You'd have us believe that overpaid union jobs were/are the norm. They are not.

Thoughtless comment on your part, as most of industrialized America was under unions: auto makers, truck drivers, dock loaders, miners, machinists, even teachers. This list can go forever with unions. What country do you live in? Dems run on the idea of supporting Unions to get better paying jobs while picket-fencing and not actually "working". That's one fundamental "fail" for them dems. work = pay, picket fencing for better pay = no pay. No production, possible closing of factory and loss of a job. Argue till you're blue, that's just the way it is.

I am an American entrepreneur. I own a small business. I am not a Republican, so apparently, I'm not yet rich. :)

Sorry bro, one day you'll get you time in the sun, until then get back to work.

Lemme check.......nope, still not a Republican. Conservative? YES. But according to the Bible, even Jesus was a liberal, so I don't know why belief in ( the christian) God = GOP member.

So were hippies, they had a huge following too. Damn, GOP can't jump on that bandwagon, somebody is already on it. You are clinging to religion, and it's really really sad. Seems like that's your biggest issue. None of real issues that I have written out so far have made a difference. I am not trying to convert you to my candidate, but at least check the facts before you make religion your protest.

I was born in the South and lived there for 20 years. The reason they vote GOP is that they're still afraid the Democratic n****r lovers and Jew lovers are gonna take their guns. God is on the side of the GOP, remember? :p

For every n****r hating redneck, there's a n****r loving n****r. Weak arguement again. From Denver, black people who showed up to Obama nomination acceptance, most had no idea about anything Obama stood for other than "Change" and "he's everything that's good for America". Very ignorant logic. I can't believe you brought up race, you're hitting lows.

What statement of mine led you to that conclusion? People in the US can say whatever they want. It doesn't mean I have to respect their position, only that I do not seek to deny them the right to say it.

Obama seeks to deny people to say things in MO, that's right, not slender, but negative campaigning. Even threats of prosecution.

I never said it was bullshit, only that the idea of people in positions of high power that believe that an invisible man in the sky is really controlling everything, and that they are quite certain they are doing what the invisible man in the sky wants them to do, should, perhaps have their heads checked.

Reapeating what I said without word Bullshit, doesn't make you any more right.

You've been on the campaign trail?

Your question should be, if I was in that town-hall. No I wasn't. But since then someone did their homework on the topic, and you can see McCain at your local rally or view videos of many of them where McCain discusses it. I still disagree with it. Even then, it bothers me when parents are excused from teaching their children about serious issues. If Christian parents don't want to teach their kids about condoms, then their kids can from STDs. It's not public scools job to raise a child, it's not their job to discipline a child.

I'm starting to think you don't like Obama. :)

My "Old and Slow" statement stands.

[Vedubin01]

Quoted from another forum.... made me laugh!

Our town has an annual Fall Festival. It's a huge collection of street vendors selling everything you don't need. Bi-planes made from beer cans, walking sticks, and other junk.

The food is good tough. The funnel cake is how I got her. So my friend is pro Obama. She makes her way over to the funnel cake stand and comes back with a huge plate. I proceeded to steal her plate of funnel cake and devour it. I turn to her and said that this is "Funnel Cake Redistribution". Since I am laid off and out of work it's not "fair" that I don't have and can't afford funnel cake so I should get hers. It's only fair.

As a final insult to her, I made my way over to the Republican Womens tent and got a McCain Palin yard sign and carried it around displaying it while standing next to her.

[ragged325]

Quoted from another forum.... made me laugh!

Our town has an annual Fall Festival. It's a huge collection of street vendors selling everything you don't need. Bi-planes made from beer cans, walking sticks, and other junk.

The food is good tough. The funnel cake is how I got her. So my friend is pro Obama. She makes her way over to the funnel cake stand and comes back with a huge plate. I proceeded to steal her plate of funnel cake and devour it. I turn to her and said that this is "Funnel Cake Redistribution". Since I am laid off and out of work it's not "fair" that I don't have and can't afford funnel cake so I should get hers. It's only fair.

As a final insult to her, I made my way over to the Republican Womens tent and got a McCain Palin yard sign and carried it around displaying it while standing next to her.

I think she's going to get the last laugh on Nov. 6th when this guy's out ripping the McFailin sign out of his lawn.

[Vedubin01]

please send me your address so I can start mailing my bills to your house come November 6th.....

Old-n-slow, your self employed? What do you do?

[parkerbink]

Wow. What a thread.


Let me ask a few questions.

What is the retirement age in the United States?

If a person over that age applied for a job what would the response be?

If during the interview the applicant gave answers that were the diametric opposite of one another what would happen?

In life all choices have inherent compromises. I am not thrilled with any of the choices but the Republicans have made a mess so large that change is mandatory.

As an aside please get the hell off the socialism nonsense. Who just affirmed the largest socialist decision in the history of the country?

Also who voted for it and then called for the President to veto it?

[ragged325]

Here's the obligatory SNL skit of the debate:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6yvpe_jbspd_fun

[Vedubin01]

Wow. What a thread.

What is the retirement age in the United States?

Social Security says 67 as of 2008

If a person over that age applied for a job what would the response be?

Depends on the job I guess

I the Republicans have made a mess so large that change is mandatory.

Guess you have not read all the post showing that in fact the Dems where the ones behind the Fannie/Freddie failure and were the ones most profiting from them.

Who just affirmed the largest socialist decision in the history of the country?

Actually FDR is behind the largest Socialist movement in the United States

[parkerbink]

Actually I do not get my facts from your posts.

The Republicans had unfettered control of the country for six years. The mess is theirs. (With help from Democrats that allowed them to get away with political "murder").

This bailout bill is Bush's.

840 Billion today is far and away more than What Social Security laid out during FDR's day.

To put it into perspective for you the Manhattan project which built cities to build the bomb cost just shy of 1.9 Billion dollars.

[Vedubin01]

This bailout bill is Bush's.

Typical response, you only got 30 more days to use that line!

FDR set the programs that were abused today......

New York Times 1999 pre-Bush


Maybe time to go buy some over priced airline tickets and says its Bush's fault as well..... oh wait you already did!

[parkerbink]

Typical response, you only got 30 more days to use that line!

FDR set the programs that were abused today......


Maybe time to go buy some over priced airline tickets and says its Bush's fault as well..... oh wait you already did!

You can't be the level of idiot you come across as.

Who's bill is this? Are you saying it is not his?

McCain's response to your bringing up FDR would be that is ancient history and stop bring ing it up.

Social Security was necessary during the depression and still may be necessary today. The fact that criminals abuse it has nothing to do with this election.

I would be shocked if McCain is not taking his Social Security money seeing as he paid into the system and is entiteled to it. Will you refuse yours when you are eligible?

I bet not.

Interesting you keep hammering Fannie & Freddy, who has lobbiests in high positions on their campaign?

[DarkWing6]

This bailout bill is Bush's.

Aren't the Dems the ones that pushed it through the House?


EDIT - But I do realize that the 2nd one that actually passed was passed by a large majority of both parties.