The moderator of Thursday's vice-presidential debate

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Aren't the Dems the ones that pushed it through the House?


EDIT - But I do realize that the 2nd one that actually passed was passed by a large majority of both parties.

The bill was authored at Bush's request & immediately signed by him.

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You can't be the level of idiot you come across as.

Who's bill is this? Are you saying it is not his?

McCain's response to your bringing up FDR would be that is ancient history and stop bring ing it up.

Social Security was necessary during the depression and still may be necessary today. The fact that criminals abuse it has nothing to do with this election.

I would be shocked if McCain is not taking his Social Security money seeing as he paid into the system and is entiteled to it. Will you refuse yours when you are eligible?

I bet not.

Interesting you keep hammering Fannie & Freddy, who has http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5AC0A96F958260

The bill was passed by overwhelming Democrats in both House and Senate. I for one wish it never passed. I have voiced my opinion many times for it not to pass. And I do not see Eye to Eye with Bush so stop labeling me that way!

FDR comment hurt your feelings?

Social Security is a social program that was established because people did not know how to budget for their retirement age. A Social program that is over abused and most likely will not be there when I hit 65.

Former Fannie Mae Chairman Jim Johnson Still Working For Obama's Campaign

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I'm kind of wishing the Democrats didn't stop Bush from letting us all gamble our social security benefits on the stock market.

Edit: Nevermind, since we're bailing out wall street I guess we did.

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The bill was passed by overwhelming Democrats in both House and Senate. I for one wish it never passed. I have voiced my opinion many times for it not to pass. And I do not see Eye to Eye with Bush so stop labeling me that way!

FDR comment hurt your feelings?

Social Security is a social program that was established because people did not know how to budget for their retirement age. A Social program that is over abused and most likely will not be there when I hit 65.

Former Fannie Mae Chairman Jim Johnson Still Working For Obama's Campaign

Really?

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9753_mccain_campaign_lobbyists_wall_street_aig.html

McCain Attacks Wall Street Greed—While 83 Wall Street Lobbyists Work for His Campaign



McCain's CAMPAIGN MANAGER was still being paid until last month.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us...s/24davis.html

WASHINGTON — One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month from the end of 2005 through last month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement.

[Vedubin01]

Lehman Brothers collapse is traced back to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two big mortgage banks that got a federal bailout a few weeks ago.

Freddie and Fannie used huge lobbying budgets and political contributions to keep regulators off their backs.
A group called the Center for Responsive Politics keeps track of which politicians get Fannie and Freddie political contributions. The top three U.S. senators getting big Fannie and Freddie political bucks were Democrats and No. 2 is Sen. Barack Obama.
Now remember, he's only been in the Senate four years, but he still managed to grab the No. 2 spot ahead of John Kerry — decades in the Senate — and Chris Dodd, who is chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.
Fannie and Freddie have been creations of the congressional Democrats and the Clinton White House, designed to make mortgages available to more people and, as it turns out, some people who couldn't afford them.
Fannie and Freddie have also been places for big Washington Democrats to go to work in the semi-private sector and pocket millions. The Clinton administration's White House Budget Director Franklin Raines ran Fannie and collected $50 million. Jamie Gorelick — Clinton Justice Department official — worked for Fannie and took home $26 million. Big Democrat Jim Johnson, recently on Obama's VP search committee, has hauled in millions from his Fannie Mae CEO job.


Now remember: Obama's ads and stump speeches attack McCain and Republican policies for the current financial turmoil. It is demonstrably not Republican policy and worse, it appears the man attacking McCain — Sen. Obama — was at the head of the line when the piggies lined up at the Fannie and Freddie trough for campaign bucks.
Sen. Barack Obama: No. 2 on the Fannie/Freddie list of favored politicians after just four short years in the Senate.
Next time you see that ad, you might notice he fails to mention that part of the Fannie and Freddie problem.

[Vedubin01]

Obama backs bailout plan


CORAL GABLES, Fla. – Calling the market upheaval one of the most serious in the nation’s history, Barack Obama said Friday that the Treasury and the Federal Reserve must receive “as broad authority as necessary” to restore stability to the financial system.

Following a meeting with economic advisers here, Obama said he supports efforts by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Benjamin Bernanke to work with Congress on a rescue plan.

“I'm much less interested at this point in scoring political points, than I am in making sure that we have a structure in place that is sound and that is actually going to work,” Obama told reporters. “What we don't want to do is get too bogged down in some complicated legislative wrangling. There's going to be a lot of time for us to be in a big argument about how some of these future plans should be structured.”

In contrast to John McCain’s pointed criticism of him earlier in the day, Obama called for bipartisanship as he outlined four principles that he said must guide an emergency response. He pressed for the inclusion of an economic stimulus package in the bailout plan, and maintained that the financial downturn would not scuttle his domestic agenda if elected president.

“Now more than ever we’ve got to have the kind of broad-based middle class tax cut that I talked about for 95 percent of working families,” Obama said.

He declined to issue his own detailed plan for the financial markets until he reviewed the plan proposed by the Treasury and the Federal Reserve.

“It is critical at this point that the markets and the public have confidence that their work will be unimpeded by partisan wrangling, and that leaders in both parties work in concert to solve the problem at hand,” he said.

Instead, he laid out four principles: That the rescue plan help “Main Street” as well as Wall Street; that it be fair, and not reward particular companies or individuals; that it be structured to be temporary and have a “process to restore private sector assets to private sector hands after restoring stability to the system”; and that it be coordinated internationally.

Obama spoke in a conference room at the University of Miami, steps away from an arena where thousands of supporters waited for the start of a political rally, where he would later attack McCain on several fronts. Grim in tone, Obama was flanked by his advisers, including many who worked for former President Bill Clinton during better economic times.

Several flew into Miami for the meeting: Robert Rubin, Treasury secretary from 1995 to 1999; Lawrence Summers, Treasury secretary from 1999 to 2001; Gene Sperling, a former national economic adviser to Clinton; Laura Tyson, a former economic adviser to Clinton; and Paul Volcker, the Federal Reserve chairman from 1979 to 1987 Others joined by phone, including Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, billionaire investor Warren Buffett, and President Bush’s first Treasury Secretary, Paul O’Neill.

Obama decided late Wednesday to call the meeting, following days of feverish attempts by the Democratic nominee to stay on top of developments – and ahead of McCain. Obama had spoken throughout the week with his advisers and administration officials, while issuing harshly-worded attacks on his opponent in every town he visited.

The week-long offensive culminated with the private meeting Friday. They met around two rectangular folding tables pushed to the side of a carpeted conference room and covered with Starbucks coffee cups, yellow legal pads and half-filled water glasses. By the time reporters were ushered inside for the press conference, the advisers were mingling in a corner, waiting for Obama to return to make his statement.

Only hours earlier, Obama and his aides had decided against rolling out a new set of policy proposals given the emergence late Thursday of a government bailout plan.

The focus instead shifted to unfolding developments in Washington.

“It was very technical about wanting to understand a lot of the different mechanisms by which the Treasury and the Fed could engage in the types of actions they are talking about,” an adviser said after the meeting. “(Obama) wanted to really have a sense from them what they knew about the plan because different people have different sources of information, and really wanted to know whether people there thought this plan was the right one and whether it would work.”

The adviser said there was “a lot of agreement in the meeting,” which included advisers from academia, government and Wall Street.

“Everybody agrees with the basic principle that the situation is now so serious that something ambitious needs to happen,” the adviser said.

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Obama backs bailout plan


CORAL GABLES, Fla. – Calling the market upheaval one of the most serious in the nation’s history, Barack Obama said Friday that the Treasury and the Federal Reserve must receive “as broad authority as necessary” to restore stability to the financial system.

Following a meeting with economic advisers here, Obama said he supports efforts by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Benjamin Bernanke to work with Congress on a rescue plan.

“I'm much less interested at this point in scoring political points, than I am in making sure that we have a structure in place that is sound and that is actually going to work,” Obama told reporters. “What we don't want to do is get too bogged down in some complicated legislative wrangling. There's going to be a lot of time for us to be in a big argument about how some of these future plans should be structured.”

In contrast to John McCain’s pointed criticism of him earlier in the day, Obama called for bipartisanship as he outlined four principles that he said must guide an emergency response. He pressed for the inclusion of an economic stimulus package in the bailout plan, and maintained that the financial downturn would not scuttle his domestic agenda if elected president.

“Now more than ever we’ve got to have the kind of broad-based middle class tax cut that I talked about for 95 percent of working families,” Obama said.

He declined to issue his own detailed plan for the financial markets until he reviewed the plan proposed by the Treasury and the Federal Reserve.

“It is critical at this point that the markets and the public have confidence that their work will be unimpeded by partisan wrangling, and that leaders in both parties work in concert to solve the problem at hand,” he said.

Instead, he laid out four principles: That the rescue plan help “Main Street” as well as Wall Street; that it be fair, and not reward particular companies or individuals; that it be structured to be temporary and have a “process to restore private sector assets to private sector hands after restoring stability to the system”; and that it be coordinated internationally.

Obama spoke in a conference room at the University of Miami, steps away from an arena where thousands of supporters waited for the start of a political rally, where he would later attack McCain on several fronts. Grim in tone, Obama was flanked by his advisers, including many who worked for former President Bill Clinton during better economic times.

Several flew into Miami for the meeting: Robert Rubin, Treasury secretary from 1995 to 1999; Lawrence Summers, Treasury secretary from 1999 to 2001; Gene Sperling, a former national economic adviser to Clinton; Laura Tyson, a former economic adviser to Clinton; and Paul Volcker, the Federal Reserve chairman from 1979 to 1987 Others joined by phone, including Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, billionaire investor Warren Buffett, and President Bush’s first Treasury Secretary, Paul O’Neill.

Obama decided late Wednesday to call the meeting, following days of feverish attempts by the Democratic nominee to stay on top of developments – and ahead of McCain. Obama had spoken throughout the week with his advisers and administration officials, while issuing harshly-worded attacks on his opponent in every town he visited.

The week-long offensive culminated with the private meeting Friday. They met around two rectangular folding tables pushed to the side of a carpeted conference room and covered with Starbucks coffee cups, yellow legal pads and half-filled water glasses. By the time reporters were ushered inside for the press conference, the advisers were mingling in a corner, waiting for Obama to return to make his statement.

Only hours earlier, Obama and his aides had decided against rolling out a new set of policy proposals given the emergence late Thursday of a government bailout plan.

The focus instead shifted to unfolding developments in Washington.

“It was very technical about wanting to understand a lot of the different mechanisms by which the Treasury and the Fed could engage in the types of actions they are talking about,” an adviser said after the meeting. “(Obama) wanted to really have a sense from them what they knew about the plan because different people have different sources of information, and really wanted to know whether people there thought this plan was the right one and whether it would work.”

The adviser said there was “a lot of agreement in the meeting,” which included advisers from academia, government and Wall Street.

“Everybody agrees with the basic principle that the situation is now so serious that something ambitious needs to happen,” the adviser said.

Thanks for ignoring the question Mrs. Palin.

Bottom line:

McCain is too old to take on the massive job at hand. Young, healthy men age many years after one year in office. This is no job for the aged or infirm. McCain is both.

[Aptyp]

You can't be the level of idiot you come across as.

Stop name calling, you come off as a douche.

Who's bill is this? Are you saying it is not his?

Paulson't bill was 3 pages long. Not Bush. Bush weighed in almost a week after Paulos submitted it to congress. I don't know if you watch the senate and house vote, but dems protested until they added everything they wanted, and only then passed it anyway. Do not deffend democrats in congress. They showed no backbone. McCain went to Washington and with both sides wrote in provisions for the bailout, which doesn't allow Paulson get money without further congress approval. What that means is, that the next president will have the bailout in front of him.

I would be shocked if McCain is not taking his Social Security money seeing as he paid into the system and is entiteled to it. Will you refuse yours when you are eligible?

He probably receives his military veteran pay too. Why shouldn't he? Stupid, stupid statement.

Interesting you keep hammering Fannie & Freddy, who has lobbiests in high positions on their campaign?

Actually, Obama. This may hurt your brain, but check into people who Obama asked to help him search for VP.

Jim Johnson: served as chief executive officer of the government- chartered mortgage-finance company Fannie Mae



BAM, my shoe size is 11, in case your proctologist hasn't told you yet.

[Old'n'Slow]

Dems run on the idea of supporting Unions to get better paying jobs while picket-fencing and not actually "working".

Citation please.

You are clinging to religion, and it's really really sad. Seems like that's your biggest issue.

No. I would like that political candidates did not "cling" to it. My assertion that I am uncomfortable with people in office who believe they are operating under an invisible, unknowable "plan" is legitimate. Anything can be justified if you can convince enough people that god has chosen you as his spokesperson. History is not ambiguous here.

For every n****r hating redneck, there's a n****r loving n****r. Weak arguement again. From Denver, black people who showed up to Obama nomination acceptance, most had no idea about anything Obama stood for other than "Change" and "he's everything that's good for America". Very ignorant logic. I can't believe you brought up race, you're hitting lows.

You missed the point of this entirely..... Moving on.....

Obama seeks to deny people to say things in MO, that's right, not slender, but negative campaigning. Even threats of prosecution.

Check your facts here. It was the Republican governor who used the terms "threats of prosecution and criminal punishment". Obama's campaign stated it would "respond immediately to any ads and statements that might violate Missouri ethics laws". Perfectly legal tactic given the campaign climate in Missouri at the time. Had Palin done the same thing, would she have been lauded for taking a hard stand? You betcha! ;)

Reapeating what I said without word Bullshit, doesn't make you any more right.

You are confusing fact and opinion. Again.

Your question should be, if I was in that town-hall. No I wasn't.

Sorry. You said "trust me-on the campaign trail"......as if you'd run for office.

But since then someone did their homework on the topic, and you can see McCain at your local rally or view videos of many of them where McCain discusses it.

Link please. I'd love to see the results of McCain's homework on this and other topics.

It bothers me when parents are excused from teaching their children about serious issues. If Christian parents don't want to teach their kids about condoms, then their kids can from STDs. It's not public scools job to raise a child, it's not their job to discipline a child.

I agree. The problem is ignorant parents who statistically tend to produce similar children. Palin has stated her position on abortion, and were it come to fruition, would ensure a steady stream of unwanted children who will likely need some form of government assistance. I hate abortion, but you can't legislate good behavior. You can, however, incentivise it, and educate with regard to the alternatives. There will always be women who accidently get pregnant even when educated about the consequences just as there will always be people who shoot up on heroin even though they "know better". Just as needle exchange programs help prevent habitual users from becoming a yet more expensive burden on society while not advocating drug use, teaching contraception to people old enough to get pregnant is similarly proactive. We need to inform them with straight talk , alert them to all the possible consequences and support them in making the right decisions.

I can't get behind any candidate who thinks curtailing a woman's right to choose could possibly be a good idea. The rich will still be able to obtain secret abortions from sympathetic doctors just as they always have, while the poor will be forced to resort to other means. Incentivise the avoidance of pregnancy the right way, and women will choose appropriately.

My "Old and Slow" statement stands.

But you're voting for old and slow, so what's your problem? :D

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Stop name calling, you come off as a douche.



Paulson't bill was 3 pages long. Not Bush. Bush weighed in almost a week after Paulos submitted it to congress. I don't know if you watch the senate and house vote, but dems protested until they added everything they wanted, and only then passed it anyway. Do not deffend democrats in congress. They showed no backbone. McCain went to Washington and with both sides wrote in provisions for the bailout, which doesn't allow Paulson get money without further congress approval. What that means is, that the next president will have the bailout in front of him.



He probably receives his military veteran pay too. Why shouldn't he? Stupid, stupid statement.



Actually, Obama. This may hurt your brain, but check into people who Obama asked to help him search for VP.

Jim Johnson: served as chief executive officer of the government- chartered mortgage-finance company Fannie Mae



BAM, my shoe size is 11, in case your proctologist hasn't told you yet.

You are an idiot of the level heretofore unseen.

Name all the lobbyists on Obama's payroll you want McCain's MANAGER was on the payroll until last month.

Bam my size 12 is in your ass and out your oversize mouth.

McCain went to Washington 22 hours later AFTER the bill was presented for a vote it lost.

The "suspension" of his campaign was a grandstand attempt to look like he was doing something. He did nothing bet get bitch slapped by Letterman for several days after lying to him..

[Vedubin01]

The Drive by Media is not interested in Obama's relationships with Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, the freak Father Pfleger, and, of course, Bernardine Dohrn. It's all unfolding before our very eyes, the genuine mean-spirited, extreme radicalism of Barack Obama. What are they trying to hide? This whole campaign is one of deception, deceit, and fraud. This guy is unqualified. He is not a presidential candidate; he is a presidential operative. They found somebody from an opposition research war room and they made him the candidate.
The referendum is going to be up and down on Barack Obama and he's telling us who he is now. Obama is lying. He's assuming they're not bright enough to know or to learn the truth. The truth is that Barack Obama is not a unifier. So he says one thing in public as Cool Hand Luke and so forth, ah, they swoon, and down in the trenches it's the community agitator Saul Alinsky-trained Barack Obama, trying to manipulate Hispanics, as he has manipulated blacks, he has manipulated whites, he manipulated the middle class. He doesn't try to persuade people to agree with him. He doesn't try to persuade people and uplift people anymore. No, no. This is about search-and-destroy.

What kind of presidential candidate would have such contempt for his fellow citizens, The fact is he can't stand for them, he can't run the risk that they will learn the truth. They have to be lied to, just as you have to be lied to. Liberalism is a lie. The only way liberalism can prosper is if it gets away with its lies. It has gotten way with lies in this financial mess, it's gotten away with lies in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, it's gotten away with lies in the Great Society. Liberalism is a continuing, ongoing lie. They mask it well sometimes. Other times they blow it. In this case, Obama has blown it. It is obvious that this ad is a full-fledged, 100% lie, because he thinks the very people he wants to represent are too stupid and too ignorant to learn or understand the truth.
Barack Obama is stoking racism in this country. There can't be any legitimate disagreement of views. There is no other side. The other side just has to be gotten away with, or gotten rid of. He is a disgrace.

Barack Obama wants the public to think he's Mr. Nice Guy, soft-spoken, erudite, a new kind of politician, new, fresh, unique, uniter. He's going to come around and he's going to just wave his hand and all of these partisan feelings of rancor are going to vanish. He is inciting partisan feelings of rancor; he is inciting hatred; he is inciting racism; he is using every tactic he can to make people as mad as he can make them, all for the purpose of manipulating them for their support. He's Mr. Nice Guy while his thugs are in Alaska looking for dirt on Sarah Palin, hacking into her personal e-mail account while he runs race-baiting ads and lies about what he's done and lies about what Senator McCain has done. He's running a two-tier campaign. Chicago tactics behind the scenes, new politics imagery in front of the cameras, Barack Obama, a man whose mask has been removed. There can be no mistake who he is now. There can be no conclusion other than he is just an average Chicago thug, typical liberal Democrat politician when you strip everything else away. Compliments, Rush

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There are two choices. An old infirm man at the end of his life and a young, man at the beginning of his political life.

As I have said before it is about compromise. If McCain had chosen someone qualified to take his place in the event he could not continue the choice would be harder. Palin makes it (for me) a no brainer.

[Aptyp]

Citation please.

No. I would like that political candidates did not "cling" to it. My assertion that I am uncomfortable with people in office who believe they are operating under an invisible, unknowable "plan" is legitimate. Anything can be justified if you can convince enough people that god has chosen you as his spokesperson. History is not ambiguous here.

You missed the point of this entirely..... Moving on.....

Check your facts here. It was the Republican governor who used the terms "threats of prosecution and criminal punishment". Obama's campaign stated it would "respond immediately to any ads and statements that might violate Missouri ethics laws". Perfectly legal tactic given the campaign climate in Missouri at the time. Had Palin done the same thing, would she have been lauded for taking a hard stand? You betcha! ;)

You are confusing fact and opinion. Again.

Sorry. You said "trust me-on the campaign trail"......as if you'd run for office.

Link please. I'd love to see the results of McCain's homework on this and other topics.

I agree. The problem is ignorant parents who statistically tend to produce similar children. Palin has stated her position on abortion, and were it come to fruition, would ensure a steady stream of unwanted children who will likely need some form of government assistance. I hate abortion, but you can't legislate good behavior. You can, however, incentivise it, and educate with regard to the alternatives. There will always be women who accidently get pregnant even when educated about the consequences just as there will always be people who shoot up on heroin even though they "know better". Just as needle exchange programs help prevent habitual users from becoming a yet more expensive burden on society while not advocating drug use, teaching contraception to people old enough to get pregnant is similarly proactive. We need to inform them with straight talk , alert them to all the possible consequences and support them in making the right decisions.

I can't get behind any candidate who thinks curtailing a woman's right to choose could possibly be a good idea. The rich will still be able to obtain secret abortions from sympathetic doctors just as they always have, while the poor will be forced to resort to other means. Incentivise the avoidance of pregnancy the right way, and women will choose appropriately.

But you're voting for old and slow, so what's your problem? :D

This my last post in this thread, because it's tough answering oneliners like "says who?" and "so what?" So far democrat debate of this thread has been weak. Maybe you start another thread some place, I'l help you kids out with pointing out good things about your own candidate, not bad in others.


Says every newspaper and news network. "Democrats pledge to reverse Union decline." Search, I won't spoon feed you.

Your point of South being racist was very well understood, and you've made your side of debate on issues that far more ignorant.

Legal tactic from a constitutional lawyer running for president. At what point will he grow balls? And it's not what-would-palin-do, it's what Obama did. Hypothetical argument? you betcha.

Is it fact that bible is bullshit? Or your opinion? One liners is what Daily Show does, but they're funny. You need to state your arguement clearly. It's my opinion that Bible is bulshit, I have no divine proof of that. Just the way supreme court interprets constitution, every christian/muslim/jew interprets their book, meaning, not always literally.

Don't trust me, youtube it.

Poor have been doing pretty well with abortions too. We just call them miscarriages.


Have a great day.

[Old'n'Slow]

Vedub,

Is that really from Rush?

And if so, do you expect me to take him seriously? A man who puts food on the table by saying provocative things like "You want to tell me that Obama has got something against terrorists around the world when his best friend is one"? Riiiight.

Isn't he the one who once declared "no mercy for drug users", then became one?

Rush Limbaugh radio show (quoted in the L.A. Times, 8/20/95)

I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right…"I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that."...

What he's saying is that if there's a line of cocaine here, I have to make the choice to go down and sniff it….And his point is that we are rationalizing all this irresponsibility and all the choices people are making and we're blaming not them, but society for it. All these Hollywood celebrities say the reason they're weird and bizarre is because they were abused by their parents. So we're going to pay for that kind of rehab, too, and we shouldn't. It's not our responsibility. It's up to the people who are doing it. And Colangelo is right.

Except, of course, when the guy with the problem is Rush. Hypocrisy writ large.


You can do better.

[Old'n'Slow]

This my last post in this thread, because it's tough answering oneliners like "says who?" and "so what?" So far democrat debate of this thread has been weak. Maybe you start another thread some place, I'l help you kids out with pointing out good things about your own candidate, not bad in others.

You stated:

Dems run on the idea of supporting Unions to get better paying jobs while picket-fencing and not actually "working".

Right? It's either your opinion, or, if you are claiming it is fact, you cite the reference. Who said it, and in what context? Can't/won't cite is a concession of the point. It becomes your opinion.

Says every newspaper and news network. "Democrats pledge to reverse Union decline."

Searched and guess what? No word of supporting getting paid while not actually working.

Your point of South being racist was very well understood, and you've made your side of debate on issues that far more ignorant.

Still not getting it. Like I said-time to move on.

Legal tactic from a constitutional lawyer running for president.

Please-what is illegal about it? Do you or do you not conceed it was a perfectly legal maneuver? Oh, and what would Palin have done? Lay down? I think not.

Is it fact that bible is bullshit? Or your opinion? One liners is what Daily Show does, but they're funny. You need to state your arguement clearly. It's my opinion that Bible is bulshit, I have no divine proof of that. Just the way supreme court interprets constitution, every christian/muslim/jew interprets their book, meaning, not always literally.

Easy there, turbo. My feelings regarding the veracity of the bible are an opinion, mmmmkay? I don't have to defend it other than to state it's an opinion.

Here is my argument, for the sake of clarity: If you are the type of person who believes an invisible man controls everything, then your objectivity is questionable. IN MY OPINION, people in power need to retain their objectivity. History contains numerous occasions where people were convinced to do very immoral things by leaders who had, by inferring a mandate from god, induced fear of godly wrath if they were not followed. Palin believes she is doing what an invisible man in the sky wants her to do, and thus may not be able to carry out a possible presidential position objectively.

Got it?

Don't trust me, youtube it.

I was hoping you had the links at hand, since you seemed so versed. You stated he did his homework, to refute my suggestions that he is not prepared. Simply telling me to figure it out for myself does nothing to strengthen your position.

Poor have been doing pretty well with abortions too. We just call them miscarriages.

Now it's your turn to search. Wait, I'll do it for you.

Have a great day.

You betcha. ;)