Isreal bomb Gaza, killing 195

[blunttech]

And where are they supposed to go? All the border crossings are CLOSED.

those people are being used. nobody here in their right mind has anything against the israeli or palestinian people. every human deserves to live a normal life. they are being used by the people they voted into office

[E30 Cabrio]

Are these Hammas? terrorists? these are just SOME of the many pics of innocent being killed....

This is the result of electing a Government that is hell bent on destroying Israel, then uses children as Human Shields to hide their cowardly asses behind.

If you're lobbing mortars from school rooftops, what do you think is going to happen?

And Hamas loves to parade around dead/injured children for propaganda purposes.

All those pics are being controlled by Hamas - they decide what you see and what you don't see.

Later, I'll post a link to a site that shows the same wounded infant being photographed in different scenarios and those pics then distributed to the media.

I guess Israel is also responsible for teaching Palestinian children to strap on explosives as well?

[E30 Cabrio]

Notice something in common here?

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0eToeOx9YrgMg/A_Palestinian_father_carries_his_wounded_baby_daughter

http://www.daylife.com/photo/07HqgalbyofnJ/A_Palestinian_carries_a_child_into_the_Shifa_hospital

Same child, as evidenced by the orange and green clothing and wounds.

Instead of parading this kid around for photo ops, how about getting it care?

Nope. Photo ops are more important.

There are many more examples of this kind of propaganda being used on the unsuspecting.

I can post them later if you like, but the bottom line is that Hamas uses children as human shields for propaganda photo ops. Who is to blame for that?

[CorvallisBMW]

^ if unbiased media coverage is so important, then why doesn't Israel allow any journalists in to cover the war? I'd like to see a counterpoint to the Hamas propaganda, but Israel is blocking any and all reporters from entering Gaza. Why?

[E30 Cabrio]

^ if unbiased media coverage is so important, then why doesn't Israel allow any journalists in to cover the war? I'd like to see a counterpoint to the Hamas propaganda, but Israel is blocking any and all reporters from entering Gaza. Why?

Straw man argument.

Facts are, Hamas is using children as human shields, launching rockets from schools, and then using the predictable results as propaganda/photo ops, yet some people still side with these cowards...

[Chisum]

^ if unbiased media coverage is so important, then why doesn't Israel allow any journalists in to cover the war? I'd like to see a counterpoint to the Hamas propaganda, but Israel is blocking any and all reporters from entering Gaza. Why?

And then the great and omniscient ruler of the country of R3V proclaimeth, "Wherefore are the media giants New York Times, CNN and MSNBC Knight, Chris 'the tingling leg' Matthews, prohibited by the pig Israelis from spinning our tales of prosecution, oppression and murder? Thus we have lined up the bodies of the aggrieved, and we prepare for a press conference, yet where is the great media?
These crimes by the Israelis knows no bounds. It bewilders us greatly that they forbade us our dutiful right of spin. We must beckon Allah henceforth to break down these walls and let our journalists in!

[CorvallisBMW]

And then the great and omniscient ruler of the country of R3V proclaimeth, "Wherefore are the media giants New York Times, CNN and MSNBC Knight, Chris 'the tingling leg' Matthews, prohibited by the pig Israelis from spinning our tales of prosecution, oppression and murder? Thus we have lined up the bodies of the aggrieved, and we prepare for a press conference, yet where is the great media?
These crimes by the Israelis knows no bounds. It bewilders us greatly that they forbade us our dutiful right of spin. We must beckon Allah henceforth to break down these walls and let our journalists in!

that's a nice spin you put on it....but no.

Zero journalists are being allowed in, not even those from the Weekly Standard, Town Hall, CNS, etc.... Why?

[Massive Lee]

Ha, ha. Chisum is having another hallucination. Yesterday he was putting words in people's mouth, now he takes words out of his ass and try to make sentences with them. Damn. It's not getting any better.

Israel is currently controling the press, just as the US did when invading Irak. Israel knows very well that unbiased medias is their worst ennemy.

[E30 Cabrio]

that's a nice spin you put on it....but no.

Zero journalists are being allowed in, not even those from the Weekly Standard, Town Hall, CNS, etc.... Why?

Who says Israel is not letting journalists in?

Source?

And maybe there is good reason for it, like not exploiting casualties for propaganda purposes, as illustrated above.

The links to the photos and captions proves my point.

There's lots more if you are interested.

Bottom line is that Hamas is using children as human shields, then parading them around in front of the cameras for propaganda purposes.

How/why would anyone defend such cowards?

[yoni]

Ha, ha. Chisum is having another hallucination. Yesterday he was putting words in people's mouth, now he takes words out of his ass and try to make sentences with them. Damn. It's not getting any better.

Israel is currently controling the press, just as the US did when invading Irak. Israel knows very well that unbiased medias is their worst ennemy.

Not that it makes any difference, or furthers this thread...

But, Chisum's post made complete sense..
"now he takes words out of his ass and try to make sentences with them"

If you don't fully understand what he is saying, that's one thing..
but he is clearly one of the better spoken individuals posting in this thread, albeit a little arrogant..

Anyways, carry on.

[CorvallisBMW]

Who says Israel is not letting journalists in?

Source?

Really? Are you that dense? You claim to know what's going on, but don't know about this:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230733174138&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/...l-barring.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/wo...a.html?_r=1&hp

[yoni]

They are currently in the state of war -

They aren't letting reporters in to protect Interlligence.

[Massive Lee]

Hey e30 Cabrio. You want to know the proof that journalists are not allowed to work in Gaza. Don't doubt it, just Google it.

In regard of your remark about Hamas using kids as shield, that's what I would call propaganda to justify casualties and hate. Check the news and you will read that Israel has just bombarded 3 schools that were directed by UNO. UNO even specifically gave the Israelis the coordinates. And guess what, Israel still bombed the schools...

The world is outraged at Israel's behaviour and we still find a few geniuses on R3V that find it damn cool that civilian Arabs get bombed and die...

[E30 Cabrio]

Really? Are you that dense? You claim to know what's going on, but don't know about this:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230733174138&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/...l-barring.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/wo...a.html?_r=1&hp

I asked for clarification of a claim. No need to get all worked up, throw out insults or claim that its indicative of not understanding the situation.

And there is a reason why they are barring Israeli journalists from entering Gaza, which is for their safety, not for propaganda.

The images coming out of Gaza are being controlled by Hamas, which you just proved.

From the JPost article you linked:

"Last week, Israel agreed to let a pool of eight foreign journalists into Gaza when the border crossing was opened for humanitarian needs in the wake of a petition filed by the Foreign Press Association with the High Court of Justice.

Banned from Gaza, the foreign press has been reporting on the assault on Hamas from the Gaza-Israel border, and using Palestinian reports and video from inside the territory.


In the past, Israeli officials have voiced displeasure over the international media's coverage of events in Gaza, saying it inflates Palestinian suffering while not always making clear that Israeli military actions were in response to Palestinian attacks. Officials have said they prefer Palestinians to do the reporting from Gaza."

[E30 Cabrio]

Hey e30 Cabrio. You want to know the proof that journalists are not allowed to work in Gaza. Don't doubt it, just Google it.

In regard of your remark about Hamas using kids as shield, that's what I would call propaganda to justify casualties and hate. Check the news and you will read that Israel has just bombarded 3 schools that were directed by UNO. UNO even specifically gave the Israelis the coordinates. And guess what, Israel still bombed the schools...

The world is outraged at Israel's behaviour and we still find a few geniuses on R3V that find it damn cool that civilian Arabs get bombed and die...

If Hamas is going to purposely launch missiles from schools, then what should Israel do?

Continue to let them?

No, they even gave them courtesy warnings but Hamas continues to launch attacks from civilian targets and use children as human shields.

No one finds that "cool" except maybe the people that are actually doing it and then exploiting the images for propaganda to appeal to the emotions of people who can't think critically or see Hamas for what they truly are...

Hamas is putting their people in danger. If you poke a tiger with a stick enough times, the tiger is eventually going to take that stick and shove it up your you-know-what.

Who is to blame for that? The person poking the tiger or the tiger?

Or for the gun grabbers, the stick?