How bad is this oil spill

[Massive Lee]

Wouldn't drilling 500ft deep locate the platform "barely" off the coast? There may be reasons for not wanting drilling platforms that close to the shores. I am obviously not any expert in oil drilling, but I tend to think that regulations have a purpose.

BTW I am still happy not to have to endure Joshh's comment. Ignore list is a great tool. ;-)

[nando]

If the government, thru the Environment Protection Agency, had been pressuring BP from day one, I am 100% sure that the Reps who have been outraged at how the government is interfering with the private sector. So, my point is that if a group wants to smear on another group, there's always something to criticize...

So, what's to do next? Perhaps some much higher safety standards shall be mandated in order not to repeat this catastrophy. Or more drastically, ban all offshore drilling from the US.

How is ignoring the ability to clean up 99% of the spilled oil "smeering another group"? Over a technicality? And then have the gall to single out BP?

there already were safety standards. They were ignored. I believe the guys running the rig knew all along it was dangerous and they weren't doing it correctly.

I wonder what the view is like from the pedestals our politicians are resting on. I bet it's comfy, too.

[nando]

Wouldn't drilling 500ft deep locate the platform "barely" off the coast? There may be reasons for not wanting drilling platforms that close to the shores. I am obviously not any expert in oil drilling, but I tend to think that regulations have a purpose.

BTW I am still happy not to have to endure Joshh's comment. Ignore list is a great tool. ;-)

sure, but a spill at 500feet is a lot easier to work with than 5000feet.

[b*saint]

how many milllons of barrels of oil and chemicals does china put in the water?



I think its really fucked up situation (with BP) and Ive been pretty pissed its not solved, but its not the end of the world - yet.

[mrsleeve]

Wouldn't drilling 500ft deep locate the platform "barely" off the coast? There may be reasons for not wanting drilling platforms that close to the shores. I am obviously not any expert in oil drilling, but I tend to think that regulations have a purpose.

BTW I am still happy not to have to endure Joshh's comment. Ignore list is a great tool. ;-)

Yes because people dont like to see them from shore you know NIMBY syndrome kinda thing. Like teddy Kennedy pushing and telling all of us for years that all the windmills going up are a good thing. Till a Wind power company was going to put them up in Cape Cod where he could see them from his house and give him something more to dodge while sailing drunk.

When have issues with a well in 500 feet of water you can get a diver down there to work on the problem and actually weld and fix shit. Not so easy in 5k feet of water, not that we dont need the tech to go after all the oil in Ultra deep waters, and this will spur a faster development of tech to to do so safer and of better Fail safes if bad Ju ju dose ever happen again.

The O/G industry already has very high safety standards (its a dangerous business to begin with) and you can have all the safety regulations in the world and follow them to a T and shit can and will still happen. Like I keep saying if BP has side stepped its own Safety/engineering protocols and best practices or those of Industry mandates , to save a rig day or 2, then Bury them, and dont look back. But if it was just a fucked up well (which happens not all of them can be easy, some can be temperamental) and a string of bad luck that lead to the original disaster, then it is what it is.

What really needs to happen is stop with the legal threats and intimidating, of BP by the govt, lets get the fucking thing shut down, and get the shit cleaned up. Then once shit is under control then worry about whos ass needs to be kicked. All this political grandstanding is nothing more than that, just a show for the masses that the govt is doing something about it all. Talk is not doing some thing. The actions of the Govt have lead to this debockel, and the lack of the Govt to follow its own laws have lead to the environmental repercussion to be as bad as they are. This coupled with the fact of piss poor govt actions to allow aid in to help out, with telling state officials they will go to jail if they do anything to protect their coast lines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wiglaf]

to the people complaining about the gov not dealing with it from day 1:
You are the same guys saying the gov should keep thier fingers out of everything. Letting BP fix thier own fuckup is what they SHOULD do, and it's what they ARE doing. Plus this isn't the type of thing you can send the navy in to straighten out. Some clowns out there think you can just blow it up. We are best off staying out of the way. Otherwise we would be in the same position but also footing the cleanup bill.

Had BP not lied to us about spill rates and 'we got this' trying to downplay it we might have been more agressive about making sure they have everything needed to stomp it out immidiately, but really there is jack shit that a politician can do about this.

Making sure everyone negatively impacted by this gets compensation, with BP footing the bill, is the president doing his job. Playing the blame game about inaction is just noise from the right wing who are still sour about bush's 9/11 book reading.

You can't keep pushing for LESS gov then expect them to 100% takeover a private situation at the drop of a hat.

[mrsleeve]

You can't keep pushing for LESS gov then expect them to 100% takeover a private situation at the drop of a hat.

Well no shit Sherlock. I am all for a small govt and feel we should strip every Federal and state law we have return to the Constitution, and repeal a few amendments made in the last 150 years and start form scratch, With well thought out and debated simple law.


What I keep trying to point out is that the GOVT has its OWN LAWS PASSED NOT TO LONG AGO to be in a SATE OF REEDINESS, to avert as much environmental damage as possible and has done every thing it can to stall any protection efforts and not followed the laws it has laid out for it self.

If we dont follow the laws they lay out for us we got to Prison when bad shit happens. Its do as we say we are the govt but dont do as we do. The govt fucks up everything it gets involved it.

0's oil commission he has set up to get the leak turned off, is full of environmentalists and professors all staunchly against our petroleum production and economy. NONE of which HAVE ANY OIL/GAS experience let alone Drilling, or leak fixing. If you or I were to set up a commission on this gulf spill wouldn't you get the VERY VERY best people from anywhere in the world not already working for BP to come in and help get it shut down????? Not our big 0, that would not further help his agenda.

wake up and smell the coffee errrrr I mean crude oil.

[Wiglaf]

I actually would support a version of cap+trade if they could come up with one that wasn't so ripe with potential fraud. The truth of the matter is there is only 1 thing that will make someone give a rat's ass about energy use, efficiency, etc: Money.
If we want to help alternatives be more competitive and motivate people to stop driving 60 miles daily then it's either this or wait for a real crisis. From a sustainability standpoint we are hosed, our way of life HAS to change, and that has nothing to do with global warming.
Considering the amount of noise that the healthcare bill generated, especially over how little it amounted to, I expect this to get buried and we will just get slammed when the oil shortage is here for real. Would not be surprised to see riots.

I also would be more in favor of this if it were sometime before bush cratered the economy. With the recession and multiple wars it is a very bad time to fuck with this sort of stuff. This knob should be dialed slowly, independently, with all the test instruments being monitored.

also agree if that state of readiness thing is true then BP should be pushing back on us with that

[mrsleeve]

I actually would support a version of cap+trade if they could come up with one that wasn't so ripe with potential fraud. The truth of the matter is there is only 1 thing that will make someone give a rat's ass about energy use, efficiency, etc: Money.
If we want to help alternatives be more competitive and motivate people to stop driving 60 miles daily then it's either this or wait for a real crisis. From a sustainability standpoint we are hosed, our way of life HAS to change, and that has nothing to do with global warming.
Considering the amount of noise that the healthcare bill generated, especially over how little it amounted to, I expect this to get buried and we will just get slammed when the oil shortage is here for real. Would not be surprised to see riots.

I also would be more in favor of this if it were sometime before bush cratered the economy. With the recession and multiple wars it is a very bad time to fuck with this sort of stuff. This knob should be dialed slowly, independently, with all the test instruments being monitored.

Any type of cap and trade or meddling will fuck up the economy.

Boosh did not fuck up the economy PEOPLE DID its called greed. But free markets will always go though Peeks and valleys, trying to meddle with it so it dose not will do more harm than good. This has been proven time and time again.

lastly I give you OPA (pill Pollution act) and the NCP (National Oil and Hazardous Substances Pollution Contingency Plan) both set up for this type of incident. Please do your own home work on them.
also agree if that state of readiness thing is true then BP should be pushing back on us with that

[nando]

to the people complaining about the gov not dealing with it from day 1:
You are the same guys saying the gov should keep thier fingers out of everything. Letting BP fix thier own fuckup is what they SHOULD do, and it's what they ARE doing. Plus this isn't the type of thing you can send the navy in to straighten out. Some clowns out there think you can just blow it up. We are best off staying out of the way. Otherwise we would be in the same position but also footing the cleanup bill.

Had BP not lied to us about spill rates and 'we got this' trying to downplay it we might have been more agressive about making sure they have everything needed to stomp it out immidiately, but really there is jack shit that a politician can do about this.

Making sure everyone negatively impacted by this gets compensation, with BP footing the bill, is the president doing his job. Playing the blame game about inaction is just noise from the right wing who are still sour about bush's 9/11 book reading.

You can't keep pushing for LESS gov then expect them to 100% takeover a private situation at the drop of a hat.

what?

that is so not even the point. they were offered the capacity to clean up any oil spilled, even if BP thought it was a lot less at the time, and they told the Dutch to stuff it. It's obvious Obama wasn't paying attention, just look how bad his image has suffered during the crisis. He's off playing fucking golf and there's 40,000 barrels leaking into the gulf. When they realized it was a lot worse than they first estimated, they could (and should) have called in those cleanup ships ASAP. Instead they sat on their fucking hands.

also, we're not even *close* to running out of oil. LOL. don't make me laugh..

[Wiglaf]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/17/gop-outraged-by-shakedown_n_615686.html

Last time these twats get to call Obama weak and apologetic, they just went crying to mommy.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Don't worry guys, the two emergency wells are close, they will be pumping mud within 10 days, and concrete in 14.

[Alkasquawlik]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_615686.html

Last time these twats get to call Obama weak and apologetic, they just went crying to mommy.

Generalizing the entire political party based on one guy has to be pretty damn accurate.

This moron is an idiot all by himself, the entire GOP distanced themselves from him immeadiately. He even tried back pedaling himself.

Nice try though.

[mrsleeve]

Don't worry guys, the two emergency wells are close, they will be pumping mud within 10 days, and concrete in 14.

Yup they are at depth, and are sounding out (looking with sonar) for the existing hole. Will take them a little while to get that last 200 feet or so, but I would rather them take their time at hit it on the 1st try than to have to pull out and back off and try again.

[briansjacobs]

what?

He's off playing fucking golf and there's 40,000 barrels leaking into the gulf.

thats right, he is out playing golf. Because in America shit gets done on the golf course, not in a board room! When I owned my finance company our annual advertising expense was $100,000, $50k I spent at the race track,$50k my partner spent at the golf course.