Is it time to revolt?

[LBJefferies]

really Lincoln did not give 2 shits about slavery. It was a political move to garner support from the north. Even the history channel supports this. to think other wise really shows your highschool civics understanding of history again

You're wrong sir. Lincoln was ALWAYS an abolitionist.

http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/quotes.htm

Scroll down to the slavery section and read his quotes.

[mrsleeve]

You're wrong sir. Lincoln was ALWAYS an abolitionist.

http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/quotes.htm

Scroll down to the slavery section and read his quotes.

article

There is no doubt, of course, that Lincoln hated the institution of slavery. "A blind man can see where the president's heart is," Douglass said. But when Lincoln took office, he was no abolitionist, a position that was considered radical at the time. Lincoln had campaigned against the expansion of slavery into new states and territories, but he didn't believe the Constitution allowed the federal government to eliminate it outright.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/history/2009/02/09/abraham-lincolns-great-awakening-from-moderate-to-abolitionist.html

I will call this one a draw with you.

[Alkasquawlik]

really Lincoln did not give 2 shits about slavery. It was a political move to garner support from the north. Even the history channel supports this (amazing I know). to think other wise really shows your highschool civics understanding of history again

This.


Lincoln didn't care either way if the slaves were freed, he just wanted to keep the Union together.
There's a quote of him somewhere that states he would've done anything to keep the Union together, even if that meant keeping slavery active.

[LBJefferies]

article

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/history/2009/02/09/abraham-lincolns-great-awakening-from-moderate-to-abolitionist.html

I will call this one a draw with you.

No I win this one for sure. Once Lincoln took office he may have taken on a more practical position in regards to slavery as it would have been unrealistic to abolish it altogether. But once he got his chance he definitely made it clear where he stood on the issue.

And Alkaseltzer, you're wrong.

[E30Kaiser]

Yeah, lets stop going back and forth on what Lincoln was really thinking during the civil war, and get back to contemplating the revolt.

[LBJefferies]

Meh, the internet isn't the best place to talk about a revolution.

[E30Kaiser]

Meh, the internet isn't the best place to talk about a revolution.

True, but I think as soon as the government passes a law to make our cars illegal on the road there will be one. Cash for clunkers was the beginning, the end of E30's is the end game.

[Alkasquawlik]

And Alkaseltzer, you're wrong.

lol ok Professor.

[e30e]

No I win this one for sure. Once Lincoln took office he may have taken on a more practical position in regards to slavery as it would have been unrealistic to abolish it altogether. But once he got his chance he definitely made it clear where he stood on the issue.

And Alkaseltzer, you're wrong.

Dude you have to f'n kidding me, you get proven wrong so many times and yet you wont even admit to a draw. Lincoln,, yes the great man of Lincoln was a politician too; that means he was just in for what was best for him at the time. You are so unbelievable sometimes.

[LBJefferies]

Dude you have to f'n kidding me, you get proven wrong so many times and yet you wont even admit to a draw. Lincoln,, yes the great man of Lincoln was a politician too; that means he was just in for what was best for him at the time. You are so unbelievable sometimes.

I didn't get proven wrong though...

While I want to agree with you, I really do, I do not think Lincoln was a typical politician. He grew up poor, had many traumas in his life and was quite depressed. Lincoln was an introvert and thought long and had about his actions and their consequences. This is unlike the politicians of today, and even many during Lincoln's time, that are born privileged, sheltered and are gung-ho, shoot first, talk later types.

[E30Kaiser]

I didn't get proven wrong though...

While I want to agree with you, I really do, I do not think Lincoln was a typical politician. He grew up poor, had many traumas in his life and was quite depressed. Lincoln was an introvert and thought long and had about his actions and their consequences. This is unlike the politicians of today, and even many during Lincoln's time, that are born privileged, sheltered and are gung-ho, shoot first, talk later types.

He was really shoot first, talk later when it came to picking generals and micromanaging the war. Dude picked terrible officers to lead his army.

[wildstoats]

how long will it be before what is happening in thialand starts happening in american cities?

I'm surprised anyone even heard about that to be honest. Pretty much everyone I know might as well be walking around with their hands over their ears screaming LA LA LA LA LA LA LA ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU ... LA LA LA ... ooo look American Idol is on! Don't forget to add Ireland to the list, as well as Greece of course. How long before that happens here? That's the million dollar question isn't it?

[Turf1600]

Are you guys serious? The civil war was the result of a fault line between the rapidly changing economy in the north and the traditional agricultural economy of the south. In a round about way it was about slaves because the southern economy relied upon them - but the war was 100% based upon economic differences. Hell, Robert E Lee lived in the north until he led the confederate army. He didn't even hold slaves! In fact, you could argue that slaves in the north were treated worse than their colleagues in the south.

[Vedubin01]

Are you guys serious? The civil war was the result of a fault line between the rapidly changing economy in the north and the traditional agricultural economy of the south. In a round about way it was about slaves because the southern economy relied upon them - but the war was 100% based upon economic differences. Hell, Robert E Lee lived in the north until he let the confederate army. He didn't even hold slaves! In fact, you could argue that slaves in the north were treated worse than their colleagues in the south.

someone got an education! Good for you!

[LBJefferies]

Are you guys serious? The civil war was the result of a fault line between the rapidly changing economy in the north and the traditional agricultural economy of the south. In a round about way it was about slaves because the southern economy relied upon them - but the war was 100% based upon economic differences. Hell, Robert E Lee lived in the north until he let the confederate army. He didn't even hold slaves! In fact, you could argue that slaves in the north were treated worse than their colleagues in the south.

You're basically saying that it wasn't about slaves but it was. The whole reason that it was an issue to begin with was because the North abolished slavery and wouldn't let it expand into the West.