Israel just doesn't get it...

[dvs909]

whats wrong with sending the aid in thru approved ports? makes more sense to me.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Ok

Blockade in international waters - check

Announced to the world - check

Neutral Ports near by, any ship allowed to pass to those ports - Check

Blockade is of a country or govt/controlling entity that is engaged in armed conflict with the blocking, country or govt. - Check (hamas is at war with Israel, Hamas is the ruling body of Palestine go figure)

These are the criteria for a lawful Blockade in international waters based on international maritime law. Israel has fulfilled all of them, they are fully justified in stopping anything they want from trying to break the LEGAL blockade.

This is all. You fuckers need to really do some reading and educate your selves, this shit is not hard to figure out

I don't really have anything else to say, other than what you said, and they went in with paintball guns, they were not trying to use deadly force, then, when firearms came out they took "disable" shots, not "kill" shots.

These people wanted to become martyrs, this was ale a ruse, and an attempt more cowardly then strapping a bomb to your chest and screaming "Allah, here I come..."

[briansjacobs]

Weren't Jews basically exterminated or deported to Mesopotamia 28 centuries ago from the Northern Kingdom by The Assyrians? At least that's what history says.

So what rights to claim that land do peoples who have never set a foot before, and may even have 0% DNA linkage, have? The only Jews who can claim a part of the land are the ones who never left for the past 2800 years. All others are fraud. Now you know where the problem comes from.

So Artyp. Go fuck yourself and please stop spewing your stupidity. It's just pathetic.

what right do we have to be here in America? we have 0% DNA linkage to the previous inhabitants, we stole the land, we hunted the natives for sport and killed them and took their land. What say you about that, Should everyone in America pack their bags and go back to Europe?

hey lets talk about the Canadians while we are at it, who did that land belong to?

[Massive Lee]

Weren't Jews basically exterminated or deported to Mesopotamia 28 centuries ago from the Northern Kingdom by The Assyrians? At least that's what history says.

So what rights to claim that land do peoples who have never set a foot before, and may even have 0% DNA linkage, have? The only Jews who can claim a part of the land are the ones who never left for the past 2800 years. All others are fraud. Now you know where the problem comes from.

So Artyp. Go fuck yourself and please stop spewing your stupidity. It's just pathetic.

[Aptyp]

Lee, if you truly believe the bullshit that you're spewing on the keyboard, then there's a cave near Jericho, France that you could call home.

Reality is, Israel was founded on a small patch of land historically tied to them. Maybe if palestinians didn't wage a war on Western World that had control of the land, Jews would just continue living in Odessa, Ukraine. If Israel wasn't given that land, I'm sure Europe and America would just build expensive resort properties and still keep sand monkeys out, kind of how it happened everywhere else around Mediterranean.

[E30Kaiser]

Hi Brian

If scientists could prove through DNA that only a very, very small percentage of the current jewish population in Israel indeed had common genetic ties with Israel's original Jewish population (which dispersed 26 centuries ago and created different interpretations of the faith). Would that be an argument big enough to destroy the belief that this land belongs exclusively to Jews? BTW Why should this land belong to a religious minority, while Christians and Muslims were the majority? Where were Jews during the Crusade?

So are you saying minorities shouldn't get their own land? The Jews have far more of a claim on Israel than the Mormons do on Utah, the Albanian's on Kosovo, or even the "Greeks" on Greece. They have fought for that land, they have historical and religious ties to the land, and some even have ethnic ties to it. I am not saying that they deserve the land, but they sure as hell have a better argument for it than most people who get their own land.

[briansjacobs]

Hi Brian

If scientists could prove through DNA that only a very, very small percentage of the current jewish population in Israel indeed had common genetic ties with Israel's original Jewish population (which dispersed 26 centuries ago and created different interpretations of the faith). Would that be an argument big enough to destroy the belief that this land belongs exclusively to Jews? BTW Why should this land belong to a religious minority, while Christians and Muslims were the majority? Where were Jews during the Crusade?

I dont think it would matter, It is kind of like saying genetically we have nothing in common with the native americans and should give the land back to its rightfull owners.

[Massive Lee]

Hi Brian

If scientists could prove through DNA that only a very, very small percentage of the current jewish population in Israel indeed had common genetic ties with Israel's original Jewish population (which dispersed 26 centuries ago and created different interpretations of the faith). Would that be an argument big enough to destroy the belief that this land belongs exclusively to Jews? BTW Why should this land belong to a religious minority, while Christians and Muslims were the majority? Where were Jews during the Crusade?

I also wonder if one of the 12 Lost Tribes, the Lemba tribe - Cohen priests descendants, should now leave South Africa, Zimbwabe and Ethiopia and return to Israel as most likely they have more genetic ties than most Jews currently living in Israel?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6044429622502488087#

[briansjacobs]

Hi Brian

Just curious. You mentionned you emigrated from Russia to Israel, probably as part of an Israeli program to populate Arab areas under a settlers program. What made you decide to not stay there?

What do you think of people who state that Azkenaze Jews who have just migrated to Israel have more rights to live there than Palestinian families who've been living there for hundreds of generations?

Are there two "international laws". One for Israel, one for the rest of the world?

my family emmigrated to the US from Russia. Not Isreal, my point was that as Jews from Russia I am sure we have long lost cousins in Isreal.

I will answer the rest of the question though, If you read my postings in other threads I am advocate of human rights, not just in the US, but anywhere and everywhere. I think Isreal has a right to defend itself, I think the people of Palestine have a right to the basic human necessities such has clean water,food, medicine all received in a timely manner. There are women and children starving there. On the other side, Palestine elected Hamas, a terrorist orgainzation that is outspoken about wiping Isreal off the face off the map. I am not a fan of the way Isreal is presenting themselves these days with carpeting bombing areas, but I also recognize that the terrorist in the area are hiding behind civilians. So if you are a civilian and see a terrorist "freedom fighter" run, because Isreal will drop a bomb there and they dont care who gets hit!

And from the eminant domain perspective I have voiced that opinion in another thread as well and I am still not a fan.

[e30e]

You fuckers need to really do some reading and educate your selves, this shit is not hard to figure out

America needs to do this

[mrsleeve]

Ok

Blockade in international waters - check

Announced to the world - check

Neutral Ports near by, any ship allowed to pass to those ports - Check

Blockade is of a country or govt/controlling entity that is engaged in armed conflict with the blocking, country or govt. - Check (hamas is at war with Israel, Hamas is the ruling body of Palestine go figure)

These are the criteria for a lawful Blockade in international waters based on international maritime law. Israel has fulfilled all of them, they are fully justified in stopping anything they want from trying to break the LEGAL blockade.

This is all. You fuckers need to really do some reading and educate your selves, this shit is not hard to figure out

[e30e]

Looks like people want to mess with the Jews some more: Round 2 Israel vs Ireland

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/06/04/20100604israel-blockade-gaza-activists-ON.html

[Massive Lee]

Hi Brian

Just curious. You mentionned you emigrated from Russia to Israel, probably as part of an Israeli program to populate Arab areas under a settlers program. What made you decide to not stay there?

What do you think of people who state that Azkenaze Jews who have just migrated to Israel have more rights to live there than Palestinian families who've been living there for hundreds of generations?

Are there two "international laws". One for Israel, one for the rest of the world?

[briansjacobs]

from a maritime security blog that is staunchly non-political.

just wondering if someday we will qouted as "from a BMW forum that is staunchly non political"

[e30e]

They way I see after that video, I'm surprised shots weren't fired.