"Drop a bigger bomb" will never fix any of these issues.
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this thread was tl;dr.
but i wanted to point out that it was in international waters.
which equates it to terrorism and piracy.
just saying.
everyone does realize that the u.s. was the one that created isreal out of nothing in 1948 because we didnt want that many jews in the u.s., right? so we kicked a bunch of palestinians out of their homes and installed a bunch of jews there. the jews said, "hey, this is my home cause my people lived here 2000 years ago." and the palestinians are kind of upset because they were kicked out of their homes and then forced to live in this tiny area, cut off from the sea and generally shit upon by the isrealis.
i know that anyone else would not have acted differently. any of you. if someone kicks you out of your home, i know you'd be pissed and want revenge.
all of our muslim issues are a real problem. those fuckers need to be brought into the 21st century, where we dont cut off hands and heads for being slightly too exposed. or rape women just because they are alone.
but the issue with palestine is different. we created it. we fucked up. we muscled everyone out of the way to put people that we didnt want to deal with there. there is no solution thats reasonable.
1. kill all palestinians. that would end up with global war.
2. ask all the isrealis to gtfo out and live somewhere else. never going to happen.
3. kill all the isrealis. they have nukes. (they dont confirm or deny that.)
4. move all the palestinians somewhere else (by force) and recreate this problem elsewhere.AWD > RWDComment
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All the reports from the people on the boats (the only ones present besides the Israelis, obviously) agree that the Israelis started shooting before boarding the boat.
Kershaw, your description is a simplification, there are some other interesting points that should be touched on. First of all, it wasn't just the U.S. that didn't want Jewish refugees, it was also Britain, Russia, and most of the rest of Europe. Russia was actually a very hostile place for Jews in the 30 or 40 years following WWII.
Also, the Jews were not simply instated into Israel, there was a substantial quantity of them that came over prior to WWII and purchased land in Palestine as part of the original, relatively diplomatic and non-violent Zionist movement that was content to share the area with its existing residents. After WWII, the movement became much more militant and land was simply taken, not bought, in an effort to get control of the entirety of the area decreed by the U.N. to be Israel. The controlled area first stayed within the UN's proposed 2-state solution, then was procedurally expanded as a result of Israel clashing with Syria, Jordan, and Egypt (and military forces of other countries that disliked their land grab) and winning because they were better equipped (by the U.S.).Comment
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Im just a small town boy with a little common sense.
E and F should be pretty easy to understand. i cant help you if you dont get it.
A B and C are also true. i agree some germans didn't want a war, but the majority did.
D i must have misunderstood what he meant.
ACMF i can tell you if i was out on my boat minding my own business and a helicopter flew over and dropped a swat team on it, i wouldnt start hitting them with sticks. thats just COMMON FUCKING SENSE. The flotilla knew they were breaking international law, and were going to be stopped. They DONT have the law on their side, and knew it. Why you would attack someone with a gun is beyond me. they deserve what they got.
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Was the flotilla in international waters??
If so:
How can boarding and attempting to seize a ship in international waters be legal??
If they were in international waters how was the flotilla breaking international law??
If the ship had been inside Israeli waters then I can see some justification.sigpicComment
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No the flotilla had no idea what they were doing that's why they had 10 fucking cameras rolling just coincidentally right when the Israelis were boarding the ships.Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
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So they were in Israeli waters??sigpicComment
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It's a blockade. It can be done in international waters. America has done it a few times.
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"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison
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International waters.
SILBER COMBAT UNIT DELTA (M-Technic Marshal)
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A brief excerpt:
Since 1945, the UN Security Council determines the legal status of blockades and by article 42 of the UN Charter, the Council can also apply blockades.
Has the legality of this blockade been established?
I guess the point I'm making is that none of this is really all that clear...sigpicComment
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That is one of the problems with Israel. They just act. But at the same time who are they to ask for permission? They have people to protect.
But the UN is a total joke.
I don't have a problem with the fact they have a blockade specially if ships in the area know about it. If they refuse to stop, they must be bored.
It's the way Israel did it that I don't like. But then again this group is connected to Hamas a terrorist organization.Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison
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I did see a clip on the news that the father of one of the people killed said he is not sad because his died a martyr for a just cause, and he wishes to die a martyr also.
or that is a conspiracy from the liberal translator! I will say that if you want to die a martyr, Isreal can help you with that requestBrian JacobsComment
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