Israel just doesn't get it...

[dvs909]

Are you a Sionist? Fundamentalist Christian? Please help me understand what justifies such comments. ;) Because none makes sense.

Im just a small town boy with a little common sense.

E and F should be pretty easy to understand. i cant help you if you dont get it.
A B and C are also true. i agree some germans didn't want a war, but the majority did.
D i must have misunderstood what he meant.


ACMF i can tell you if i was out on my boat minding my own business and a helicopter flew over and dropped a swat team on it, i wouldnt start hitting them with sticks. thats just COMMON FUCKING SENSE. The flotilla knew they were breaking international law, and were going to be stopped. They DONT have the law on their side, and knew it. Why you would attack someone with a gun is beyond me. they deserve what they got.

[kronus]

All the reports from the people on the boats (the only ones present besides the Israelis, obviously) agree that the Israelis started shooting before boarding the boat.



Kershaw, your description is a simplification, there are some other interesting points that should be touched on. First of all, it wasn't just the U.S. that didn't want Jewish refugees, it was also Britain, Russia, and most of the rest of Europe. Russia was actually a very hostile place for Jews in the 30 or 40 years following WWII.

Also, the Jews were not simply instated into Israel, there was a substantial quantity of them that came over prior to WWII and purchased land in Palestine as part of the original, relatively diplomatic and non-violent Zionist movement that was content to share the area with its existing residents. After WWII, the movement became much more militant and land was simply taken, not bought, in an effort to get control of the entirety of the area decreed by the U.N. to be Israel. The controlled area first stayed within the UN's proposed 2-state solution, then was procedurally expanded as a result of Israel clashing with Syria, Jordan, and Egypt (and military forces of other countries that disliked their land grab) and winning because they were better equipped (by the U.S.).

[briansjacobs]

What reaction did Israel expect when you see a helicopter above you with a SWAT looking dude sliding down a rope?

they did it peacefully on 5 other boats, the people on board should assume if they wanted to open fire they would have done it from the safety of the helicopter.

[ACMF74]

this thread was tl;dr.

but i wanted to point out that it was in international waters.

What reaction did Israel expect when you see a helicopter above you with a SWAT looking dude sliding down a rope?

[Kershaw]

this thread was tl;dr.

but i wanted to point out that it was in international waters.

which equates it to terrorism and piracy.

just saying.

everyone does realize that the u.s. was the one that created isreal out of nothing in 1948 because we didnt want that many jews in the u.s., right? so we kicked a bunch of palestinians out of their homes and installed a bunch of jews there. the jews said, "hey, this is my home cause my people lived here 2000 years ago." and the palestinians are kind of upset because they were kicked out of their homes and then forced to live in this tiny area, cut off from the sea and generally shit upon by the isrealis.

i know that anyone else would not have acted differently. any of you. if someone kicks you out of your home, i know you'd be pissed and want revenge.

all of our muslim issues are a real problem. those fuckers need to be brought into the 21st century, where we dont cut off hands and heads for being slightly too exposed. or rape women just because they are alone.

but the issue with palestine is different. we created it. we fucked up. we muscled everyone out of the way to put people that we didnt want to deal with there. there is no solution thats reasonable.

1. kill all palestinians. that would end up with global war.
2. ask all the isrealis to gtfo out and live somewhere else. never going to happen.
3. kill all the isrealis. they have nukes. (they dont confirm or deny that.)
4. move all the palestinians somewhere else (by force) and recreate this problem elsewhere.

[briansjacobs]

"Drop a bigger bomb" will never fix any of these issues.

where I do agree, I do find it hilarous coming from a guy calling himself "Naplm00"

[Naplm00]

"Drop a bigger bomb" will never fix any of these issues.

[ck_taft325is]

Are you a Sionist? Fundamentalist Christian? Please help me understand what justifies such comments. ;) Because none makes sense.

So you're stupid and ignorant or just totally blind? Reading the intrawebz in brail must be a real fuckin' trick.

[Massive Lee]

A. Most Germans thought at the beginning of the war, when shit was going good for them, that the war was good. it was only after we started kicking ass that the disliked it.
B. Hamas and all these terrorists groups have a even bigger propaganda machine
C. We dropped bombs on behalf of other nations all the time, lets just use a bigger fucking bomb.
D. Why the hell would we bring people over here who want to kill us? i got a better idea, pretend were bringing them here, then throw them out of the plane over the atlantic. i'd be ok with $1000 in taxpayer money for every dead wanna be terrorist.
E. Israel didn't break any laws.. thats the point. this "aid" group did. Israel could have sunk the fucking ships and been in the clear legally.
F. since Israel's attack was legal the only thing you could have against them is either 1. You think killing is morally wrong. 2. you dislike Israel for some other reason and are using this to falsely add to their negative image.

if you think killing is morally wrong, how bout these "peace activists" who attacked first attempting to kill Israeli soldiers?

Are you a Sionist? Fundamentalist Christian? Please help me understand what justifies such comments. ;) Because none makes sense.

[briansjacobs]

oh yeah, I have no problem with justifiable homicide

[briansjacobs]

A. Most Germans thought at the beginning of the war, when shit was going good for them, that the war was good. it was only after we started kicking ass that the disliked it.
do not try to rewrite the history books to serve your arguement, gemany as whole did not want the way, just the people in charge
B. Hamas and all these terrorists groups have a even bigger propaganda machineI'll go along with that to a degree
C. We dropped bombs on behalf of other nations all the time, lets just use a bigger fucking bomb.agree to disagree, for now
D. Why the hell would we bring people over here who want to kill us? i got a better idea, pretend were bringing them here, then throw them out of the plane over the atlantic. i'd be ok with $1000 in taxpayer money for every dead wanna be terrorist.I am saying it is easy for a terrorist to send people over, not for us to pay for it
E. Israel didn't break any laws.. thats the point. this "aid" group did. Israel could have sunk the fucking ships and been in the clear legally.we are not sure of that yet as this happened in international waters. To top it off Isreal is blocking attempts at an external investigation
F. since Israel's attack was legal the only thing you could have against them is either 1. You think killing is morally wrong. 2. you dislike Israel for some other reason and are using this to falsely add to their negative image.Im a decendant of Russian Jews, me and my family are very pro Isreal, however I am not entirely sure Isreal is innocent here, but if I were in their shoes I probably would have done the same as what is the difference if it was in these waters or a few miles inland in Isreali wates

if you think killing is morally wrong, how bout these "peace activists" who attacked first attempting to kill Israeli soldiers?

[dvs909]

no German citizens attacked for the most part because most German citizens were against the war. If you did not join the army and fight, you could be jailed.
Another thing Germany and Japan had in common was a huge propaganda machine that motivated people to fight, those that did not get motivated to fight found themselves getting "more motivation" and it is not a real fair comparison to what we are dealing with today.

on top of that, you are suggesting that we drop a bomb on behalf of another country as this thread is about Isreal

we are in a much different world today. For less than $1000 you send someone to the USA from just about anywhere in world. with the internet and cell phones and ATM cards it is alot easier today then it was 50 years ago.

You have not heard me say one thing against Isreal, so dont go putting words in my mouth. I will say I am not sure anyone but Isreal broke international law, im not sure how I feel about it yet, but I have not spoke ill of them doing so.

A. Most Germans thought at the beginning of the war, when shit was going good for them, that the war was good. it was only after we started kicking ass that the disliked it.
B. Hamas and all these terrorists groups have a even bigger propaganda machine
C. We dropped bombs on behalf of other nations all the time, lets just use a bigger fucking bomb.
D. Why the hell would we bring people over here who want to kill us? i got a better idea, pretend were bringing them here, then throw them out of the plane over the atlantic. i'd be ok with $1000 in taxpayer money for every dead wanna be terrorist.
E. Israel didn't break any laws.. thats the point. this "aid" group did. Israel could have sunk the fucking ships and been in the clear legally.
F. since Israel's attack was legal the only thing you could have against them is either 1. You think killing is morally wrong. 2. you dislike Israel for some other reason and are using this to falsely add to their negative image.

if you think killing is morally wrong, how bout these "peace activists" who attacked first attempting to kill Israeli soldiers?

[joshh]

Some of the well known civilians (writers, deputies, actors) have been released and have started giving their version of the incidents. It has totally nothing to do with the Israelis'. One of them is famous Swedish writer Henning Mankell, one of today's best selling author (check the "Wallander" serie). He calls for sanctions against Israel, such as has been applied with another Apartheid country two decades ago, namely South Africa.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...on-Israel.html



Another brilliant comment. What are the facts? The one you've been fed by Israelis?

Well let's see Lee...."peaceful" aid delivering ship beating the shit out of soldiers that had already stopped the other 5 ships. Trying to run through the blockade.


The Freedom Flotilla.

With a flotilla of "peace activists" steaming toward the blockaded Gaza strip, Israeli authorities have been worrying about a showdown turning into a public relations disaster. That's a sorry reflection not on Israel but on the willingness of a world audience to swallow almost any amount of propaganda, if it comes with a Gaza label.

The basic narrative spun by the organizers of this "freedom flotilla" is that some 700 "activists" from dozens of countries have boarded eight or nine ships filled with tons of "humanitarian aid." Their mission is to run the Israeli blockade, "break the siege of Gaza" and "establish a permanent sea lane between Gaza and the rest of the world." The umbrella website for this venture is labeled "The Free Gaza Movement," and on it the "Free Gaza Team" of the "Freedom Flotilla Coalition" professes a dedication to nonviolence and respect for universal human rights.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/05/28/ham...ia-rosett.html

[briansjacobs]

no German citizens attacked for the most part because most German citizens were against the war. If you did not join the army and fight, you could be jailed.
Another thing Germany and Japan had in common was a huge propaganda machine that motivated people to fight, those that did not get motivated to fight found themselves getting "more motivation" and it is not a real fair comparison to what we are dealing with today.

on top of that, you are suggesting that we drop a bomb on behalf of another country as this thread is about Isreal

we are in a much different world today. For less than $1000 you send someone to the USA from just about anywhere in world. with the internet and cell phones and ATM cards it is alot easier today then it was 50 years ago.

You have not heard me say one thing against Isreal, so dont go putting words in my mouth. I will say I am not sure anyone but Isreal broke international law, im not sure how I feel about it yet, but I have not spoke ill of them doing so.

[dvs909]

your incorrect there jacobs, when was the last time japan fucked with us?
how many german citizens attacked americans after WW2 was over? we leveled cities,

the reason bombing hasn't worked is because we haven't used enough force. if they fear the almighty wrath of america coming down upon them, they're not gonna mess with us.

bullies only pick on people smaller or weaker than them i vote we show em we mean business.

also, what has Israel done illegally here? they attempted to arrest someone breaking international law, and those people resisted. good for Israel to take out some fucking criminals.