Atheist acting up again

[Dozyproductions]

the fill in the blank was supposed to be more along the lines of something that is generally unacceptable by people, but argued by some thats how they are.
such as being a pedophile or a someone into beastility or a arsonist or someone who loves to kill. claiming your born like that so it must be ok and we must accept you isn't a valid argument.

well thats the argument I guess that also encompasses nature vs. nurture . You can't be born any of those things but you can be born gay.

But I accept the fact that you will not be able to look at it that way because how can a god who says homosexuality is wrong make homosexuals?

[ACMF74]

sure the vatican and any and every religion can refuse to recognize a civil union, because religions are irrelavant and meaningless, it is the goverment that taxes you that needs to change, we can worry about the after life when we are dead!

i thought you didn't believe in God? So how can there be an afterlife?

[briansjacobs]

I dont. nor do I believe in an afterlife, it was merely a statement.

[ACMF74]

I dont. nor do I believe in an afterlife, it was merely a statement.

gotcha

[LBJefferies]

the fill in the blank was supposed to be more along the lines of something that is generally unacceptable by people, but argued by some thats how they are.
such as being a pedophile or a someone into beastility or a arsonist or someone who loves to kill. claiming your born like that so it must be ok and we must accept you isn't a valid argument.

I think where we should draw the line is when these things that people are born with hurt other people. Pedophilia is wrong because it hurts the child, beastiality is wrong because it hurts the animal, arson is wrong because it destroys property and can kill people. Homosexuality doesn't hurt anybody. It is a private thing between two consenting adults.

I understand that the argument of being born with it is really a bad argument. But it is in response to the equally terrible argument from anti-gays that homosexuality is a choice not made by God and therefore it is a sin.

[Erik]

I think where we should draw the line is when these things that people are born with hurt other people. Pedophilia is wrong because it hurts the child, beastiality is wrong because it hurts the animal, arson is wrong because it destroys property and can kill people. Homosexuality doesn't hurt anybody. It is a private thing between two consenting adults.

I understand that the argument of being born with it is really a bad argument. But it is in response to the equally terrible argument from anti-gays that homosexuality is a choice not made by God and therefore it is a sin.

I think it's funny that I've still never met you... Haha. But I completely agree.

[Vedubin01]

I dont. nor do I believe in an afterlife, it was merely a statement.

That's kinda small minded don't you think?

[briansjacobs]

gotcha

ohhh sick burn that was a real gotcha moment:yawn:

[joshh]

I think where we should draw the line is when these things that people are born with hurt other people. Pedophilia is wrong because it hurts the child, beastiality is wrong because it hurts the animal, arson is wrong because it destroys property and can kill people. Homosexuality doesn't hurt anybody. It is a private thing between two consenting adults.

I understand that the argument of being born with it is really a bad argument. But it is in response to the equally terrible argument from anti-gays that homosexuality is a choice not made by God and therefore it is a sin.

How the fuck do you know beastiality hurts the animal? Like animals climbing on the back of another animal doesn't hurt them. I could easily make an argument against that idea.

And here we are again because you guys keep avoiding the question.
Do we allow sons and Fathers to marry? Do we allow Moms and daughters to marry? They're consenting adults aren't they?
As soon as we allow gay marriage you will see a huge spike in criminality over who is getting married just for the benefits. And there will always be benefits because even if you pull apart church and state you still have Insurance to deal with.
Being gay is unnatural and immoral. That's why this situation can't be figured out easily.

Where's this proof people are born gay?

[JeepJockey]

Homosexuality doesn't hurt anybody. It is a private thing between two consenting adults.

CDC disagrees: As of June 2001, 64% of men with AIDS were men who have had sex with men.

[ACMF74]

ohhh sick burn that was a real gotcha moment:yawn:

wasn't meant to be a burn... just confirming want you meant....

[z31maniac]

you said it yourself CHOOSE, gays do not have the choice to get married. they want the benefits but have no choice in the matter.

there is a very competitive market for highly qualified employees, if you want to steal the best employees from your competition vs. highering an unemployed person you have to offer something better than your competition does to entice these people to leave their current jobs.

Very true, just pointing it out.


Interesting you mentioned taxes, I haven't checked because I'm not married, just yet.

I remember a friend telling me a few years ago, he and his wife actually were taxed more by filling jointly then by filing separately. A quick search didn't net much other than some low amount of income is taxed at a higher rate.

My fiancee will most likely still file separately since she is self-employed, but I was curious about the actual $$$$ ramifications between the two.

[z31maniac]

well thats the argument I guess that also encompasses nature vs. nurture . You can't be born any of those things but you can be born gay.

But I accept the fact that you will not be able to look at it that way because how can a god who says homosexuality is wrong make homosexuals?

That's precisely how they argue it is a choice vs being born that way. They choose to be deviant. I don't care either way.

That's kinda small minded don't you think?

Small minded to think there is, don't you think?

[joshh]

cdc disagrees: as of june 2001, 64% of men with aids were men who have had sex with men.

powened!

[Vedubin01]

Small minded to think there is, don't you think?

If you cant look around and see that some higher power created everything around you then yeah small minded. Man as yet been able to prove the conception of mankind.