$5 Gas in 2012?

[mrsleeve]

there is a lot more too it than 99.9% of the population understand, and the hippies just refuse to wrap their heads around those facts.

[rwh11385]

That's how it is though... And most of the population thinks that watching a 3 minute snippet on their politically-supported network of choice can 'inform' them. Both sides give some facts and some BS, but few actually try to seek the truth in-between, or additional information. Yes, it does help secure friendly energy resources, but also yes, there are environmental risks. It's not right to consider one but not the other, although too many put their hands over their ears when it's not what they want to hear.

Politics is scary since we trust them to be informed, yet we've seen they're legislating on issues they are clueless about, like SOPA. And as much as they should be doing what's best for the public... they are also influenced by the campaign contributions, or what is most popular with their target demographic of voters. (*cough* I wonder what Obama cared about most in his decision, the technical information concerning the project or the supporters of blocking it?)

[herbivor]

there is a lot more too it than 99.9% of the population understand, and the hippies just refuse to wrap their heads around those facts.

I'm sure you are very knowledgeable about this subject and have your opinions about the pipelines but I am genuinely curious of an intelligent reason why there are environmental concerns and opposition to the pipeline if everything is a safe as you say it is. I hear what you're saying, but there has to be a reason why the administration is blocking construction. So far I haven't heard it except "Obama and hippies don't like Big Oil" which is a bullshit answer.

[mrsleeve]

NO its not a BS answer. The administrations official position has been more environmental study more time to study environment impact . more more more studies. When there have been almost 5 years of study form govt (state and fed), shipper and 3rd party sources. All have cleared the route and design plans originally, with special attention to mitigate, and minimize sensitive environmental areas and issues.

Like I have said Pipelines are the flavor of the day for environmental activism to attack. just like Farming was 30 years ago, logging was 20 years ago, mining 10 years ago, drilling and pipelines are now what you guys are out to destroy, and have much more support form the govt with this administration.

They have studied the XL to death, and have even done another reroute in Nebraska and added at least a 100 million to construction costs to do so, to appease the administration. Why do we still not have the federal permit for that 500 foot section of a 1600 mile pipeline????? Oh thats right stall for more time and claim we need more studies, until we get one that we like and says what we want it to say......................

[gwb72tii]

could it be cheap oil and gas somehow don't dovetail into the solyndra's and wind farms of the admin's wet dreams?

100 years of proven reserves of natural gas undermine the admin's political aims

[mrsleeve]

ya think ?????


lol

[purple haze]

man petrol is soo much cheaper in the US your government subsidises the shit out of it compared to australia, in aus fuel is heaps more expensive, thats why half the people drive shitty little toyotas!

[mrsleeve]

No. Very incorrect. Your govt taxes the shit out of it more than ours. We are not subsdize in consumer fuel at all. The left would like us all to think so but they cheery pick and twist the facts to make it seem so. Our govt makes more on oil/gas than the oil companies do.

Unlike australia here in the us we pay for our fuel and heath care seperatly

[Morrison]

could it be cheap oil and gas somehow don't dovetail into the solyndra's and wind farms of the admin's wet dreams?

100 years of proven reserves of natural gas undermine the admin's political aims

Or could it be that their political aims are in favor of cheap fuel? Intentionally causing an increase in fuel cost would be political suicide, so unless you assume Obama lacks intelligence then your theory falls apart.

Installation of the pipeline would have RAISED domestic oil prices as explained here: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...eal-all-along/

[nando]

NO its not a BS answer. The administrations official position has been more environmental study more time to study environment impact . more more more studies. When there have been almost 5 years of study form govt (state and fed), shipper and 3rd party sources. All have cleared the route and design plans originally, with special attention to mitigate, and minimize sensitive environmental areas and issues.

Like I have said Pipelines are the flavor of the day for environmental activism to attack. just like Farming was 30 years ago, logging was 20 years ago, mining 10 years ago, drilling and pipelines are now what you guys are out to destroy, and have much more support form the govt with this administration.

They have studied the XL to death, and have even done another reroute in Nebraska and added at least a 100 million to construction costs to do so, to appease the administration. Why do we still not have the federal permit for that 500 foot section of a 1600 mile pipeline????? Oh thats right stall for more time and claim we need more studies, until we get one that we like and says what we want it to say......................

I think he stalled more for political reasons, to appease to the enviromentalist left before the election. I expect it will get approved soon after the election.

hasn't obama approved more drilling permits than bush did during his entire 8 years? or the rate per year was higher or something? I can't remember, but Obama has pretty much ignored the envirowackos on fracking.

you guys have valid points but seriously, put the tinfoil hats away for once..

[gwb72tii]

he hasn't approved more permits i believe, the admin argues that production has increased more under obama.

thanks to GWB

[nando]

so GWB isn't responsible for the recession that started during his second term but he's responsible for the production increase after his presidency?

pick and choose, dude.

[mrsleeve]

I will respond a little more in depth when I get nando when I am not on my phone

[nando]

I don't blame you. I hate typing on my phone.

must have been designed by the Obamanazi himself. :p

[gwb72tii]

from what i understand the increase in oil/gas production since obama took office is mostly from contracts signed before he was elected.
i guess you can give him credit for not shutting it all down LOL