Why hate Obama?

[gwb72tii]

So many of the principals that founded this nation are now bat shit crazy ???

So small limited govt that allows you and me to do as we see fit with our lives with little govt intrusion into them is bat shit crazy???

Low taxes and free markets in which to innovate, create wealth for your self and others, and prosper is bat shit crazy???

Being responsible for your self is bat shit crazy ?????

All of those things are at the core of the Tea party peeps, and also the core of the founders of this nation and why they fought and died to separate them selves for a oppressive detached govt, and founded this nation.

Like I said study some history please

folks, we have a WINNER!!!!

[gwb72tii]

No.

"no" doesn't cut it here

'splain yourself

[nando]

the tea party is about being anti-obama, not saving the country. They want to see him fail. They're also the fringes of society, not the majority.

my mom is in the tea party.. I hear all about it.

[Vedubin01]

the tea party is about being anti-obama, not saving the country. They want to see him fail. They're also the fringes of society, not the majority.

my mom is in the tea party.. I hear all about it.

the tea party is about returning to core values of this country. Not about seeing anyone fail. Tea Party sees Obama as the leader of the movement to destroy the the fabric of what this country was founded on.

You might want to travel out of the PNW a bit, you might find you are the minority.

[z31maniac]

No, because unfortunately the Tea Party has been hijacked by the extreme right GOP'ers.

And thusly there message of fiscal conservatism is getting too mixed up in social conservatism.

[Vince30]

Says the guy from florida... tea bagging is very frowned upon around here.

[herbivor]

I found this history of American recessions interesting and familiar.

The Recession of 1937 is only considered minor when compared to the Great Depression, but is otherwise among the worst recessions of the 20th century. Three explanations are offered for the recession: that tight fiscal policy from an attempt to balance the budget after the expansion of the New Deal caused recession, that tight monetary policy from the Federal Reserve caused the recession, or that declining profits for businesses led to a reduction in investment.[33]

It looks like history repeats itself and I doubt tea baggers, republican or democrats have a solid answer on how to correct the problem. You would think with our country's experience with recessions, we would know how to avoid them in the future, but I guess such actions would be frowned upon by the free market and labled as "socialist".

[mrsleeve]

Says the guy from florida... tea bagging is very frowned upon around here.

yes your corrupt Chicago brand of politics is so more much conducive to human freedom and free enterprise.

IL is one of the poster children for progressive policy that has run amock, destroyed individual liberty and is trying to chase its largest business outta the state and hundreds of thousands of jobs with them

[ck_taft325is]

No, because unfortunately the Tea Party has been hijacked by the extreme right GOP'ers.

And thusly there message of fiscal conservatism is getting too mixed up in social conservatism.

Agreed.

[gwb72tii]

You're twisting my word. I said these cats running the tea party are fucking bat shit crazy. Find your own sources it shouldn't be that hard. I don't have time for a politically motivated argument.

then why post here?

[gwb72tii]

I found this history of American recessions interesting and familiar.
It looks like history repeats itself and I doubt tea baggers, republican or democrats have a solid answer on how to correct the problem. You would think with our country's experience with recessions, we would know how to avoid them in the future, but I guess such actions would be frowned upon by the free market and labled as "socialist".

well yes and no

do you know what JP Morgan said at the end of the 30's? in so many words, "we've spent huge sums of money (the gov't) and we have nothing to show for it."

history indeed repeats itself for those too wed to their political beliefs to care (obama)

there will always be a business cycle. governments duty is not to make life fair.

the problem in the 30's was indeed tightening, after massive deficit spending. bernanke knows this.
the whole problem is the spending, which we now have to stop, and it comes after massive government stimulus (again) has failed and when the economy is weak. so we remove the stimulus and tax rates have to remain elevated to pay for it all. we're in a corner and it will be painful for sometime as we work our way out, starting with electing a new pres and senate.

and anyone who thinks their grandmother in her lawn chair at a tea party rally is what's wrong with america is batshit crazy.

the left is pissed and fearful that 70+ years of progressive/liberal policies are crashing in front of their eyes. labeling americans that want the spending to stop as radical/extreme is the latest failing attempt to stem the tide.

[Dozyproductions]

The fed is the one that makes the business cycle. so no, there doesn't always have to be a business cycle.

[tjts1]

The fed is the one that makes the business cycle. so no, there doesn't always have to be a business cycle.

Thats a new one :drink:

[evandael]

for the most part, i want to live life free of government intrusion, with reasonable taxes, no nannying, no handouts, and few restrictions. i want to be free to buy what i want with money i earn, and not have it taken away to spend on things i don't need or care for, or even benefit from. and most importantly, i want my friends and family and even people whom i don't give a shit about to be able to do the same.


the problem is, there are too many damn people to account for (poor, middle class, and extremely wealthy), and the one's that hold all the cards (greedy and wealthy) will continue their land grab (at the expense of the poor and middle class) if everything were truly laissez faire. the greedy need to be held accountable for; hence government intrusion and restrictions. but when the government is bought by the greedy, the whole institution goes to shit.


i would consider myself a fiscal conservative, but hell if i would ever align myself with their social views. for that, i am most definitely liberal. but many liberals are horribly misguided and ignorant as to the real costs of their seemingly 'free' demands. it seems like there is no middle ground. and in regards to the tea party.. those people are sheep. laws are effectively made by the wealthy to benefit the wealthy. the middle class would die without regulation of the businesses (read: the greedy mega-rich) that control so much of their lives; their services, products, in many cases their paychecks if you work for a large corporation.


i like obama. i see him as a middle ground, with a liberal tinge, which honestly we needed after 8 years of cowboy diplomacy. he has managed his share of crises, made his share of blunders, and doesn't play dumb. the damn congress is so polarizing i'm surprised anyone can even get up to take a shit during session without hell raining down on them from both sides, let along pass any kind of law. obama is just 'setting the tone' as someone said before.


the man's got a few more gray hairs now. everyone does. we're in a bit of a bind because of numerous factors and it's gonna take more than one presidential term to sort things out, if they ever will be.

[Dozyproductions]

Thats a new one :drink:

did public education fail you then?