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    Fortunately for the deniers, it'll take quite some time for this news to trickle down through the filter of conservative news and they'll have a few more years for the no warming since 98 "argument".

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      It's cold where I live today therefor global warming is a conspiracy!!

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        It's a good thing the scientists are 38% sure of their findings. So, there is that.

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          There's obviously a lot of debate going on over climate change. I'm not one of those people who says, "Yes, the earth is warming and we need to do something to stop it or we're all gonna die!" or one of those people who say, "No, global warming is a myth. It's just a bunch of politically motivated propaganda." Actually both of those opinions are correct and wrong in different ways. The earth's climate is obviously very dynamic, and it's difficult to pinpoint exactly what is causing those variations we obverse. It's all so very complicated with so many variables. Human beings are indeed having an impact on the earth's climate, but what exactly the long-term effect is, we don't really know for sure. Yes, we are creating an increase in CO2 in the atmosphere that is probably warming things up a bit, but another variable could counteract that, such as reduced solar output or increased ice at the poles. Looking at the long-term record we are due to be entering another ice age. Perhaps we are preventing that from happening, or perhaps there’s nothing we can do to prevent that. Only time will tell.

          Global mean temperatures may be at a record high, but there is also record sea ice in the arctic and antarctic. Some models predicted the arctic ocean would be ice-free by now and the polar bears would be extinct, but that hasn’t happened. But it still may happen. Polar bears will probably adapt though. There’s debate whether polar bears are really a separate species from brown bears (grizzlies). They are known to interbreed in the wild and produce fertile offspring. Polar bears have been seen recently catching salmon out of rivers just like brown bears do, so they are adapting. So do they need ice? Maybe not.

          There’s so much we don’t know and people are foolish to say “Yes, this is exactly what is going on.” That’s not a good scientist. A good scientist cannot make absolute conclusions like that. A good scientist makes observations, creates hypotheses to support those observations, and creates non-bias experiments to test those hypotheses. The problem with testing ideas about climate is that it’s difficult to rule anything out. That’s why we need more science. More observations. More testing. And that’s what we are doing. We need to fund science.

          There are problems humans are causing we can pretty firmly conclude are real though, such as habitat destruction due to deforestation and development, pollution such as in our air and the oceans, over-harvesting resources such as over-fishing. Humans are doing all sorts of terrible things to the earth and any motivation to prevent global warming shouldn’t be to save mankind, but to save all of the other living things on earth too. The real enemy to our planet is the inability of people to resist temptations. Indeed, whether real or not, it is (the idea of) Satan that is destroying our world. People are caught up in greed. They are blinded by money and power and they will go to no end to satisfy those wants. Of course the real problem is not Satan (or the idea of), but rather the lack of education. The people in power, the people at the head of big corporations and our governments, are not very intelligent people. They are smart enough to know how to make money and get power, but they are not smart enough to realize that they are helping to destroy the earth and its inhabitants. They are not smart enough to see that they are creating a world their descendants would not want to live in. A world without animals or plants, a world without clean air or water.

          So what can we do? How can we save the world? Well, we can do all the things people are telling us to do to combat climate change, whether its real or not. Its an idea that we should hold close to us, because along with it comes the ideas of protecting habitat for animals and plants, making our air cleaner, making our lands cleaner, and making our oceans cleaner. It will cause us to embrace sustainability and responsibility for our actions. We will start to think about what we eat and what kind of effects eating that will cause. We will become healthier and the world around us will become healthier with us. We are part of the world. Animals and plants are our brothers and sisters. We must all start thinking in this way. We must all become enlightened.
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            Originally posted by Andrew325is View Post
            Global mean temperatures may be at a record high, but there is also record sea ice in the arctic and antarctic.
            Huh? Might want to check that again...




            Check out the global average:


            Editor’s note: Antarctica and the Arctic are two very different environments: the former is a continent surrounded by ocean, the latter is ocean enclosed


            The upward trend in the Antarctic, however, is only about a third of the magnitude of the rapid loss of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean.
            “The planet as a whole is doing what was expected in terms of warming. Sea ice as a whole is decreasing as expected, but just like with global warming, not every location with sea ice will have a downward trend in ice extent,” Parkinson said.
            “Its really not surprising to people in the climate field that not every location on the face of Earth is acting as expected – it would be amazing if everything did,” Parkinson said. “The Antarctic sea ice is one of those areas where things have not gone entirely as expected. So it’s natural for scientists to ask, ‘OK, this isn’t what we expected, now how can we explain it?’”
            And while Antarctic sea ice is up, land ice is decreasing:
            <p>While the interior of East Antarctica is gaining land ice, overall Antarctica is losing land ice at an accelerating rate. Antarctic sea ice is growing <em>despite</em> a strongly warming Southern Ocean.</p>


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              Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber View Post
              It's a good thing the scientists are 38% sure of their findings. So, there is that.
              It's a good thing 100% of statistics without sources are made up, too :)

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                Originally posted by CorvallisBMW View Post
                It's a good thing 100% of statistics without sources are made up, too :)
                You are totally right.

                The claim made headlines around the world, but yesterday it emerged that GISS’s analysis is subject to a margin of error. Nasa admits this means it is far from certain that 2014 set a record at all.

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                  Dailymail :rofl:

                  Just because gwb left doesnt mean you need to fill his shoes

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                    Wait, you mean to tell me that this thing called 'margin of error' actually exists?!?!? Holy shit, we had better assume that every scientific record is false then!

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                      there's a big difference between margin of error and confidence level.
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                        Im just going to drop this off here and wait for brave and corvallis to make snide remarks and call me names (theres not enough name calling in this thread anymore).


                        http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php

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                          lol. did you look at the form? literally anyone can sign that and say they have a PHD. Also, that's from almost 20 years ago. half of Greenland has probably melted since then..
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                            Originally posted by MF DOOM View Post
                            Im just going to drop this off here and wait for brave and corvallis to make snide remarks and call me names (theres not enough name calling in this thread anymore).


                            http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php
                            :rofl: i don't even have to make fun of you for this post because it's basically self-parodying

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                              I heard something yesterday about GISS doctoring data in the 2012 report vs what it had published in 1999, anyone have anymore info on that?
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                                Originally posted by MF DOOM View Post
                                Im just going to drop this off here and wait for brave and corvallis to make snide remarks and call me names (theres not enough name calling in this thread anymore).


                                http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php
                                I spent some time reading the site. Did you know that petition is 20 years old? A lot of things change in 20 years in a research field as new and pioneering as paleoclimatgology. Also, if you google a sample of the "signatory" names, you'll find that many don't seem to exist. Indeed,

                                "Assuming that all the signatories reported their credentials accurately, credentialed climate experts on the list are very few." The problem is made worse, Lahsen notes, because critics "added bogus names to illustrate the lack of accountability the petition involved". Approved names on the list included fictional characters from the television show M*A*S*H, the movie Star Wars, Spice Girls group member Geri Halliwell, English naturalist Charles Darwin (d. 1882) and prank names such as "I. C. Ewe" http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/ad...92-2005.50.pdf

                                Also, In 2001, Scientific American took a random sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science,

                                "Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community." http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...f-uncertainty/

                                I wold also point out that Frederick Seitz was a physicist specializing in metallurgy, not a climatologist. While having a scientific background is important in understanding scientific research, he never did any actual research of his own on the topic.

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