Global Warming is over.

[ForcedFirebird]

china and india both have more than a billion citizens each. right next to each other (incidentally, with an interesting conflict zone between them that almost nobody talks about), on the same continent. that doesn't demonstrate population density?

Yeah, but population density is similar, something like 95% of Chinese live on 40% of the land mass - huge swaths of uninhabited (and even uninhabitable) land. Technically, the populations aren't "right next to each other". China pop is all far East, India's heavy pop is quite south/west of the border - which in itself is difficult to cross (The Karakoram).

[MrBurgundy]

china and india both have more than a billion citizens each. right next to each other (incidentally, with an interesting conflict zone between them that almost nobody talks about), on the same continent. that doesn't demonstrate population density?

neither country has something equivalent to our EPA. so multiply a quarter of the world's population by lack of regulation. that's the reason asia as a continent is a major contributor to the issue.

again, i'm not suggesting any of us as individuals can do anything about it, other than please don't throw a big-block chevy with a weiand blower into a diesel BMW and run it on the street just because it's smog-exempt and you can.

In response to the big block chevy comment;

My main gripe with that is, the amount of people that would actually do that is so small, it probably wont have any long lasting negative effects.

So many people want EVs, the market is moving that way for commuter cars on it's own. What sucks is that the gov doesn't want anyone to be in a gas car anymore.

If the car market was left alone, most people will gravitate towards it because it makes sense for most people.. Let me drive my e30s without having to go through a more and more difficult time keeping it on the road.

In response to the India/China comment.

Yeah I get that, but the area of those two countries combined is 2.3% of the total world's surface area, and you could boil that number down too, because like what forcedfirebird said, they still have open country. To think that they can along with all the other countries, which combined is still small fraction of the earth can have that affect doesn't seem likely.

We, humans, are smaller than we think.

[ForcedFirebird]

We, humans, are smaller than we think.

Much smaller. Didn't Hunga Tonga event release something like a year's worth of carbon in 12 hours?

[MrBurgundy]

Much smaller. Didn't Hunga Tonga event release something like a year's worth of carbon in 12 hours?

Yup.

People forget too that the earth releases carbon naturally on a scale that is hard to comprehend.

[decay]

Yup.

People forget too that the earth releases carbon naturally on a scale that is hard to comprehend.

*sigh* i haven't, as evidenced by sharing that link about the krakatoa event that caused a couple years of winter. not caused by humans, and nothing anyone could have done about it.

why do you think that means human activity couldn't be a contributing factor?

[It's Soda Not Pop]

studied, past tense, and what you're positing here is that education is of no value

you're not debating, you just reposted something you found from google image search. a debate involves a little more nuance than that, so try harder if you want to have one. there's publicly available data on the frequency of extreme weather events from NOAA

i invite you to look at the trend over the past 30 years presented by that organization, run by actual scientists with doctorates in the field (which is not me, i just used the rest of my GI Bill to get a 2nd bachelor's degree)

also, that joke wasn't funny when matt and trey made it 15 years ago, and you're not funny for reposting it

Ha Ha Ha. Whatever keyboard badass. Wear your aluminum hat. The sky is falling. LMFAO

[decay]

i'm doing my best to stay civil in P&R (as i haven't in the past) so one more data-driven argument from me.

first graph here is human-caused carbon emissions https://www.c2es.org/content/international-emissions/

second graph is population growth by country over the same timeframe https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/p...SA~BRA~IRN~ZAF

correlation is not causation, but it's interesting to me that both have the shit hitting the fan right around 1950, and the two countries i mentioned...

[decay]

Ha Ha Ha. Whatever keyboard badass. Wear your aluminum hat. The sky is falling. LMFAO

if you'd joined this forum before this year you'd know i'm a combat veteran, not the kind of warrior you're suggesting. go back to working on your car and think about something useful to contribute to the conversation, noob.

[It's Soda Not Pop]

i'm doing my best to stay civil in P&R (as i haven't in the past) so one more data-driven argument from me.

first graph here is human-caused carbon emissions https://www.c2es.org/content/international-emissions/

second graph is population growth by country over the same timeframe https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/p...SA~BRA~IRN~ZAF

correlation is not causation, but it's interesting to me that both have the shit hitting the fan right around 1950, and the two countries i mentioned...

Let me ask a question. Why is it that if me or others don't believe that the world is ending, some people who do believe in GW lose their minds and get angry? I do believe that we humans can do damage to the environment. I just don't believe in this world coming to end Global warming nonsense. It changes every decade. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe you're wrong. But wouldn't you rather me be right than you? Not joking this time.

[decay]

Let me ask a question. Why is it that if me or others don't believe that the world is ending, some people who do believe in GW lose their minds and get angry? I do believe that we humans can do damage to the environment. I just don't believe in this world coming to end Global warming nonsense. It changes every decade. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe you're wrong. But wouldn't you rather me be right than you? Not joking this time.

i'm not angry about anything, i just went to school about it.

did you click either of the links in the post you just quoted, or are you just running your fucking mouth?

i didn't want to agree with it, but you're making yourself an excellent argument about how ForcedFirebird says that GenZ is largely a generation of dumbshits.

[It's Soda Not Pop]

i'm not angry about anything, i just went to school about it.

did you click either of the links in the post you just quoted, or are you just running your fucking mouth?

i didn't want to agree with it, but you're making yourself an excellent argument about how ForcedFirebird says that GenZ is largely a generation of dumbshits.

See there you go. I was trying to be nice with an actual question. And you had be a fuck. I'm not a gen z by the way. Also what branch did you serve in?

[ForcedFirebird]

It's Soda Not Pop water on the duck.

Noob in the fact that you haven't been here and learnt the members. Most of us "old dudes” doesn't necessarily reflect calendar age. He was using gen Z to correlate.

I have always been right leaning central. I'm a good ol boy who like to hunt, fish, barbecue, farm etc, but also came up in gen x so was there for the birth of internet, PC's and the rest of this useless tech. (Useless as we don't "need it to survive). Sh!t, I took AP BASIC in 1993, and PASCAL in 1994 lol, schools were moving so slow, my home PC was already a 486sx. School PCs were Commodore that didn't even have a HDD. You had to load DOS on the RAM first.

I'm not inclined to think humans have nearly as much effect on global climate as they/we think.

If any of the "chicken little's" of the 1% calling for climate crisis we're truly commited...wouldn't be taking private jets to climate summits. It's an oxymoron. They would be out in the wilderness living off nature, you know, like us rural conservatives rofl

[It's Soda Not Pop]

It's Soda Not Pop water on the duck.

Noob in the fact that you haven't been here and learnt the members. Most of us "old dudes” doesn't necessarily reflect calendar age. He was using gen Z to correlate.

I have always been right leaning central. I'm a good ol boy who like to hunt, fish, barbecue, farm etc, but also came up in gen x so was there for the birth of internet, PC's and the rest of this useless tech. (Useless as we don't "need it to survive). Sh!t, I took AP BASIC in 1993, and PASCAL in 1994 lol, schools were moving so slow, my home PC was already a 486sx. School PCs were Commodore that didn't even have a HDD. You had to load DOS on the RAM first.

I'm not inclined to think humans have nearly as much effect on global climate as they/we think.

If any of the "chicken little's" of the 1% calling for climate crisis we're truly commited...wouldn't be taking private jets to climate summits. It's an oxymoron. They would be out in the wilderness living off nature, you know, like us rural conservatives rofl

We are in a similar boat my friend. I was raised by my grandparents.

[ForcedFirebird]

Oh, and kinda off topic, but the college graduates today at calling FOR socialism. "Capitalism is wrong, dead, illogical, immoral" they post on Twitter with their Apple phone etc.

The hypocrisy in today's world is shining like a bright beacon.

[decay]

See there you go. I was trying to be nice with an actual question. And you had be a fuck. I'm not a gen z by the way. Also what branch did you serve in?

and here you are presenting me as the asshole when you set the bait that pissed me off when i was trying to have a rational discussion.

army. 12B. 2nd infantry out of Ft Lewis but wound up attached to marine 2-mef in anbar province on my deploy. believe that was fun.

i don't care how old you are, you're still a dumbfuck until you can start contributing to this conversation in a useful fashion.

welcome to P&R. i'm happy to discuss, comment on, and encourage people's projects in other sections of the forums, but we don't wear gloves here.

i asked you a question first. you answer first.