Question for Christians.

[Schneller 3er]

That would be Judaism? I don't think we need to get in an argument, as I know this is the common view around here and in America...
I'd love for this to be a serious, and well responded thread, but its doomed to turn into an argument.

Not quite. Besides the Bible, I was refering to the nation of Israel as one of the greatest proof (at least for me) that God exists, and why I believe that Jesus Christ was his son. In the bible Ezekiel 66, it says that a nation would be born in a day. That happened on May 14,1948 and it still exists today despite of all the threats.
God's work with Israel is not finished. For those that read the Bible, this all can be found in Revlations.

[slammin.e28]

sounds kosher.

Whuut?

Jesus was a Jew.

'Nuff said.

All things considered....I have no real input beyond that for this thread.

Anywho, what kind of religion worships someone of a different religion....hmmmm?

[Sagaris]

Whuut?

Jesus was a Jew.

'Nuff said.

All things considered....I have no real input beyond that for this thread.

Anywho, what kind of religion worships someone of a different religion....hmmmm?

God reveals his truth to his prophets. In the Old Testament, the Jews were God's people which lived the commandments. When you read the New Testament, you read about the Sadducees and Pharisees which were Jewish sects that took things way too literally such as how many steps you could take on the sabbath and debating on whether it was sin to help someone on the sabbath. These groups originated from God's truth but they became wicked, did not listen to God's prophets and distorted the truth over time.
Throughout the bible you can see a pattern of how God calls prophets to restore the truth, the people reject them and kill them, and the truth is distorted.

Read the parable of the wicked husbandmen for a parable told by Christ about this very same concept Matthew 21:33-46 KJV


I am not here to debate what I just posted. It is purely my understanding on the topic, take it or leave it.

[Kershaw]

Anywho, what kind of religion worships someone of a different religion....hmmmm?

what religion is god?

[cale]

what religion is god?

Of course he's off the same religion that fits with the one asking the question, and everyone else is wrong :roll:

This is why religion is such a ridiculous belief system, if there is a god he would not be of any religion as religion is a belief structure which we humans have founded...so why would he car what path lead you too him? So arrogant of theists to think they'd even know what it is a god would want, everyones got a story about him interacting with us in so way or another but they all come from primative texts which one needs to piece together with great faith to it's validity to even know anything about these so called interactions. Such desparity to feel as though we're needed or to give credit where none is necessary.

[slammin.e28]

what religion is god?

What is god?

I'm pretty agnostic myself, but I do feel I answer to a higher power. My "little voice inside" is my god, but not in the worship sense, more in a do what is right, accountability sense.

I went to church until I was 19. I am 22. I believe religion is a way to control people, or at least, it is used as such more often than not.

I don't hate one religion or the other, I just go along and worry about me. I don't try to push agnosticism on others, and I appreciate others not try to push religion on me.

My above post ("Whuut....") was mainly satirical.

[InuFaye]

Agnostics are just afraid to tell their friends they are atheist.

Its okay man just let go and be free.

[slammin.e28]

Agnostics are just afraid to tell their friends they are atheist.

Its okay man just let go and be free.

Lol....I pretty much use that term loosely. Really, I am not one who cares, so agnostic, sure, atheist, sure. Not that they are one in the same, I just have an agnostic point of view, but could be considered an athiest.

[InuFaye]

I'm an atheist but I don't go shoving it down peoples throats.

I just am amused by all the Tebow is jesus posts.

[cale]

Agnostics are just afraid to tell their friends they are atheist.

Its okay man just let go and be free.

Not quite. I used to call myself an atheist, and as ridiculous as I think the claims of a conscious self-creating force are it's impossible to know. I totally reject claims made by religion, but beyond that no one can say with certainty.

[Fourbanger]

This is why religion is such a ridiculous belief system, if there is a god he would not be of any religion as religion is a belief structure which we humans have founded...so why would he car what path lead you too him? So arrogant of theists to think they'd even know what it is a god would want, everyones got a story about him interacting with us in so way or another but they all come from primative texts which one needs to piece together with great faith to it's validity to even know anything about these so called interactions. Such desparity to feel as though we're needed or to give credit where none is necessary.

Agreed. If there is a god, which is impossible to know, it's arrogant to think that we could know ANYTHING about him. The bible is a book of parables written by man many many years ago, then passed down and translated. Hardly a reliable source, but there are those who take it literally. And then if something is too ridiculous to be believable (like fitting 2 animals of every species onto a boat) they claim that that one story is a parable, refusing to acknowledge that the entire thing is more than likely pure fiction. Historians were around back in Jesus' day yet it's impossible to find any non-religious texts referencing him. Surely if someone came around performing miracles they would have been documented.

Not saying that the bible is worthless or that you couldn't learn anything from it, it just bugs me when people take it as God's word or whatever. Find me some proof that Jesus even existed.

Faith is ignoring the lack of evidence and buying into the crap that's being pushed by self-interested humans. If you think for yourself and find your own spiritual path it's going to hold a lot more meaning than just blindly following. But I don't want to burn for eternity in Hell so I might as well believe just to be safe :roll:


Sorry if that doesn't fit in with the rest of the thread. I'm not gonna read the whole thing but I assume after 6 pages it must have descended into general religious bashing by now.

[scabzzzz]

Everything Christianity does and exists for can be accomplished through not having any religious affiliation.
With that being said, Christianity is bought and sold as if its a good or something obtainable. Most of the serious answers I see in here sound like rhetoric from church, saying a bunch of something and nothing of anything in particular. Which pretty much describes the human race too when put into perspective. Pretty evident we're all a part of something bigger than ourselves, why people need to create a "reason" for being is way above me. Seems stupid. Look around at the planet Earth, is this not good enough for you?

[FunfGan]

Everything Christianity does and exists for can be accomplished through not having any religious affiliation.
With that being said, Christianity is bought and sold as if its a good or something obtainable. Most of the serious answers I see in here sound like rhetoric from church, saying a bunch of something and nothing of anything in particular. Which pretty much describes the human race too when put into perspective. Pretty evident we're all a part of something bigger than ourselves, why people need to create a "reason" for being is way above me. Seems stupid. Look around at the planet Earth, is this not good enough for you?

How is it "bought and sold" ? Thats the point, good works, while good, do not get you into heaven. Take that as you will, I won't force it to you. Knowing there is loving(yet angry and forgiving) God above you and everything else? Even if you don't "buy" into Christianity, that at least has to give you a sense of why people believe and trust in it.

[ak-]

This is the most I've ever participated in a politics & religion thread.

I'm outta here! It's been fun.

[Fusion]

written by man many many years ago, then passed down and translated

Very badly translated by the way. You can find Bible translation problems all over the internets. There are words/phrases/sentances that can hardly be translated because either they didn't have the vocabulary back then or they simply don't make sense.
How priests today relate texts like that to supermarkets for example is totally crazy.

The fact that religions function as a tax exempt business, and have done so for hudreds of years, is also sickening.

Indulgences became increasingly popular in the Middle Ages as a reward for displaying piety and doing good deeds, though, doctrinally speaking, the Church stated that the indulgence was only valid for temporal punishment for sins already forgiven in the Sacrament of Confession. The faithful asked that indulgences be given for saying their favourite prayers, doing acts of devotion, attending places of worship, and going on pilgrimage; confraternities wanted indulgences for putting on performances and processions; associations demanded that their meetings be rewarded with indulgences. Money raised by indulgences was used for many righteous causes, both religious and civil; building projects funded by indulgences include churches, hospitals, leper colonies, schools, roads, and bridges.[37]
However, the later Middle Ages saw the growth of considerable abuses. Greedy commissaries sought to extract the maximum amount of money for each indulgence.[39] Professional "pardoners"[4] (quaestores in Latin) - who were sent to collect alms for a specific project - practiced the unrestricted sale of indulgences. Many of these quaestores exceeded Church teachings, whether in avarice or ignorant zeal, and promised impossible rewards like salvation from eternal damnation in return for money.[37] With the permission of the Church, indulgences also became a way for Catholic rulers to fund expensive projects, such as Crusades and cathedrals, by keeping a significant portion of the money raised from indulgences in their lands.[37] There was a tendency to forge documents declaring that indulgences had been granted.[37] Indulgences grew to extraordinary magnitude, in terms of longevity and breadth of forgiveness.