When CCW saves peoples lives thread.

[cale]

Make all the jokes you want, the professionals disagree with your dense misplaced belief that your gun is going to protect you better. Gun owners seem convinced their guns are the only option, is it unfathomable that a simpler solution is available? Do you think the professionals including the article I cited are wrong?

My advice, spray the bear then take time placing your rounds. But when push comes to shove and the bear is 20 feet away with that twinkle in his eye, I'm reaching for what I know works....not what I hope I can be accurate with as I'm shitting my pants an shaking like a leaf in a hurricane.

[mrsleeve]

UMMMM

I carry a 454 Casull normally looking to upgrade sometime to a S&W 460. yes I know I have done plenty of research on grizzly attacks. Yes I carry bear spray as well. You know how tell the difference between black and brown bear shit?? Black bear shit is full of seeds and berries remnants. brown bear shit has bells in it, and smells like pepper. My pistol is not my 1st choice, but its there if I need it.

Ummm your wrong as well, the instance where a big bear makes it past well placed large bore magnum rounds are rare, not unheard of but rare. I think it was 2 years ago 2 hunters out in corum (IIRC) jumped a momma griz on the hike in. Momma charged and all they shot back with was 44mag, after beating a trail back out and reporting the incident to Fish and Game the bear was found dead not far from where they jumped her.

[cale]

You venture into the back country with out something thats your problem and your choice. There is a reason the F/S goes out there armed.

I do go out packing, and my choice of defense is going to be a lot more useful than yours. If you think a handgun of any calibre is going to stop a charging grizzly with one or two shots unless they're perfectly placed you're extremely naive. Enjoy pissing off the bear and building up his appetite.

http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf

[randomsv650]

A solid article, with a lot of research, facts, and SOURCES to back it up. Everyone in here should read it, especially the troll's who spend too much time hiding behind their computers.

And done by some Harvard Law students, ironically enough.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

[mrsleeve]

Ndt? Good racket, talk about printing money.

Hidden guns around your home is a little nuts, do you have one of these too?

http://www.the-backup.com/

yeah they make it worth my time, 5-6 more years and I will be able to slow down and pick and chose a bit more.

Yeah well as I have said there is a couple in the bed room. one in the kitchen, one "near" each main entry and a bigger stick near the door that goes out to the barn. They are hidden so we know where they are if need be, but a unexpected visitor that may stop by will not be freaked out if there is loaded 870 sitting next to the fridge or someone who may break in will not have obvious weapons to grab and go.

You venture into the back country with out something thats your problem and your choice. There is a reason the F/S goes out there armed.

[Vedubin01]

Ndt? Good racket, talk about printing money.

Hidden guns around your home is a little nuts, do you have one of these too?

http://www.the-backup.com/

I dont think that works well with a waterbed :)

[SGT4677]

I wonder how many of these accident statistics involve ccw holders.There have been 2 around here in the past few months.

[cale]

Ndt? Good racket, talk about printing money.

Hidden guns around your home is a little nuts, do you have one of these too?

http://www.the-backup.com/

Kidding btw, to each their own. I just can't imagine that ever being necessary. This coming from someone who's spend months in the bush with only a thing layer of fabric between me and those very same animals you feel the need to build an arsenal to protect yourself from.

[mrsleeve]

thanks dub. Not a welder though, I keep the welders honest ;)

[Vedubin01]

^you're one of the responsible ones. Most are not (like sleeve, who walks around with a loaded, chambered, no-safety pistol in his pants because his dick is small)

Nope that is how you carry certain pistols. Its got a safety release to allow it to be mostly ready. I carry a semi automatic Glock 19. I do not store one in the tube as there is no safety on a Glock.

You also have to remember Sleeve is out in the true Gods country welding oil pipe. When I went to Alaska you better believed I carried a lot more aggressively than I currently do.

There are those that do carry guns to stroke their ego. I think a lot of them are cops. But I know Sleeve is not one of those guys.

[mrsleeve]

^you're one of the responsible ones. Most are not (like sleeve, who walks around with a loaded, chambered, no-safety pistol in his pants because his dick is small)

FUCK YOU.

DONT YOU FOR ONE FUCKING INSTANT CALL OR INFER THAT I AM AN IRRESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER



Ummmm I have a safe that houses many of my weapons.

Also I have no children, and I dont think my cats or dogs can operate a firearm. The wife is very proficient with those weapons as well, I am gone for MONTHS and MONTHS at time, she and the MIL are alone much of the time, we live in a very rural area where police response times are measured by hours in many cases. We have live stock, and also Bears, Wolves, Mt. Lions that can and will raid the pastures if they can or will try for you while out for a evening walk.

Next there is particular reasoning to my choice of carry weapon and last time I checked Dub shares them. No mechanical safety is 100% sure thing the only real safety is the one between your ears. Not to mention I spend much of my time in crappy hotels in strange sometime not so safe areas, a long as way form home.

When we have people over the various weapons that are in hiding spots around our home are put away in the safe to keep anyone form inadvertently getting into something they shouldn't.

I and my family are law abiding citizens, what the fuck gives you the right to deny myself and my family the rights to defend our selves and property from both human and animal predators???? I was raised in a home with weapons in it. I was taught respect for those tools from the time I was learning to walk, and the fact they were not toys. I never had toy guns as a kid, because GUNS ARE NOT TOYS!!!!! I had real guns and pellet/BB guns, and knew what happens when you point them at things and pull the trigger.

You keep living in your sheltered little existence in fairy tale land and go fuck yourself .

[CorvallisBMW]

^you're one of the responsible ones. Most are not (like sleeve, who walks around with a loaded, chambered, no-safety pistol in his pants because his dick is small)

[Vedubin01]

Likelihood the parents of the children wounded felt or said the same things and never thought they'd become statistics....high. Quit pretending you're a special snowflake and not susceptible to accidents like anyone else. It's like how the majority of drivers feel they're in the higher percentile of competent drivers on the road when in reality their ego gets in the way from them realizing their true shortcomings.

I'm not saying with certainty that you are incapable of protecting your children from making mistakes, I'm saying that the majority likely share the same views as you but accidents still occur. That discredits the trust we should put in those who promise their kids will never become a statistic.

Troll keep tolling....

I actually own this exact safe and all of my guns are in there unless I am personally handling them. Im a bit over protective when it comes to firearms and NO NEVER would that happen in my household. No Special Snow Flake just was brought up to respect firearms for what they are, not toys.




Id be interested in finding out how many of these "accidental shootings" of children finding firearms had a gun safe in their house.

[cale]

My kids would never be in that situation as No one has the combo to my safe. My kids would also be taught the dangers of firearms and learn to respect them. Understanding that they are not toys.

No I don't feel bad for the family that failed to educate their kids or be stupid enough to leave one around for their child to get to.

Likelihood the parents of the children wounded felt or said the same things and never thought they'd become statistics....high. Quit pretending you're a special snowflake and not susceptible to accidents like anyone else. It's like how the majority of drivers feel they're in the higher percentile of competent drivers on the road when in reality their ego gets in the way from them realizing their true shortcomings.

I'm not saying with certainty that you are incapable of protecting your children from making mistakes, I'm saying that the majority likely share the same views as you but accidents still occur. That discredits the trust we should put in those who promise their kids will never become a statistic.

[frankenbeemer]

Why is it always about murdering innocent people with you righties...


See, we can go on and on. The facts don't lie http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

The facts may not lie, but the conclusions you draw from them are not necessarily the truth.