When CCW saves peoples lives thread.

[Q5Quint]

Statistics geek checking in.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_03.pdf

in 2008 there were 232 deaths by discharge of firearm with undetermined intent.

554 accidental deaths from discharge of firearm.

395 deaths from 'legal intervention'

To put this into perspective there 11,493 assault/homocides with firearms and 18,735 suicides with firearms (thats half of total suicides btw)

I am all for ccw and I think it makes our nation a 'safer' place~ but if you look at where all the firearm homocides/deaths are by county you will notice a trend around certain impoverished areas and cities... ie D.C., Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico, and my beautiful home stomping grounds in North/South Carolina. Obviously the folks that have nothing to lose don't mind shooting at each other.... the chart above can break things down by race and age too if your interested in that kind of thing. I think in 90% of our country your weapon is far far far more likely to be used to assist in a suicide than to actually defend yourself. SO LOCK THAT SHIT UP

Fun facts: 24,518 folks died from alcohol induced death in 2008. 8,391 were in the 45-54 year bracket and 7381 were in the 55-64 bracket. ie not drunk college kids. How many alcohol deaths in the 15-24 age bracket? 186

39,147 died from drug-induced reasons... 12,000 of which were 45-54. Again.... not kids. Meth is a hell of a drug.

It looks like in total there were 31,347 injuries... not deaths... caused by firearms. People always talk about how the us has higher than average kills/deaths with firearms per 100,000 people....but if you look at WHERE in the us those assaults happened.... or if you consider that over 24,000 will DIE FROM FALLING....

Look at the cdc injury mapping page here: http://wisqars.cdc.gov:8080/cdcMapFr...eInterface.jsp



A CCW is really only going to do you any good if you are in a area where mofockas be trying to get you anyway... so if you are looking for stories of a 'CCW being successful?' I would look to the red counties where the shit is going down.... not most of our reletively safe and quiet country.

Another fun fact: now reverse the map and see where the suicides by firearms are.

[CorvallisBMW]

Why is it always about murdering innocent people with you righties...


See, we can go on and on. The facts don't lie http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

[mrsleeve]

Why is always about saving the children with you lefties

[CorvallisBMW]

This is such an embarrassingly bad argument you should really be ashamed of using it to make your point.

There's no correlation between this man defending his business and property from armed robbers and three children who unfortunately suffered injuries from children involved in accidental shootings due to negligent parents. NONE.

You should be raging about criminally negligent gun owners who don't keep their guns locked up around kids--it is extremely unfortunate such incidents happen as often as they do.

Apparently you missed the post that mine was in reference to. I wasn't the one who made the argument or the point, it was Vedubin1. Note the very last sentence below:

4 year old shoots himself in the head:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/stepfather-charged-in-accidental-shooting-death-of-woodbridge-4-year-old/2012/08/09/426aed2c-e255-11e1-98e7-89d659f9c106_blog.html

9 year old shot in the chest by brother:

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2012/06/9-year-old-critically-injured-in-accidental-shooting-by-brother/

17 month old shot by 28 month old:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31327616/detail.html

We can go back and forth all day on pro-gun vs anti-gun. Bottom line is that guns kill far more innocent people every year than they do criminals. So while you may feel far safer carrying around a loaded, chambered, no-safety gun, numbers prove you're far more likely to shoot yourself or family member than any kind of threat.

"For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

3 thieves drove some type of an auto through the wall of a gun shop located in North Augusta, SC at about 4am this morning. The owner responded to a silent alarm and engaged them with gun fire. 1 dead at the scene . The 2 others fled the scene only to seek help for thier wounds up the road at a Waffle House. The owner on the advice of his lawyer is keeping his mouth shut. And I don't blame him.
Name of the shop is...........Guns and Ammo.
This occured in Aiken county.

Score 1 for the good guys.


just matched your 3 :/

You're one sick, twisted fuck if you think that 1 guy shooting 3 burglars offsets the fact that 3 innocent children have had their lives destroyed.

[SGT4677]

I have some issues with the 2nd example. If you watch the video, the man doesn't just try to stop the situation...he's out to kill them. The whole while as the two are tryin to flee he's shooting at their backs which IMO is completely unneccessary. The nail in the coffin for me was firing at the one guy as he's on the ground chest down because he lost his footing he was struggling so hard to get out of there...and the supposed good samaritan aims down to shoot him on the ground.

I know I'm probably holding the minority opinion here, but I think he was too eager to exercise his right to shoot and was in the wrong when his intentions turned from ending te situation to killing both the individuals while they were trying to flee and chases after them. Had he ran out the door I imagine he'd be seeing charges.

For the record, I'm pro CCW.

What I saw was very different.The man saw his chance when the Criminal,who was threatening the victims in the store turned his back to him,and there were no innocents in the way.got up, pulled,and took his stance,and waited until the criminal swung his weapon toward the man and THEN he fired. The criminal started to flee and slipped and fell,I couldnt see if he was still armed and it kind of looks like the man couldnt tell either, but he was still moving,the man fired again,followed,and fired once more at the criminal,who presumably was still armed as he fled the store.

He was completly justified in continueing to fire at an armed criminal who was still a threat to him until the threat was resolved.

I do not carry for show,My Ruger is always loaded,and on my person outside the home,if threatened I will try to back down,but if it came down to it I will pull and I will shoot to kill the person who is threatening. When that person stops moving I will stop firing.There is no other reason to carry a firearm.I hope to god that this never happens,and that my firearms are never used outside the range.I obey the laws of my state when I carry.

My "kids" are grown and gone,on the infrequent occasion that children enter my home, my firearms are secured.

20 yr olds committing an armed robbery are not innocent children.

A handgun with an empty chamber is a brick.

I too am Pro CCW.I have one,and I lawfully carry.

[randomsv650]

Wife and I were out a while back at Chillis in NW CT. Had my SR9C on me at the time. Walked outside and heard 4 rounds fired off in the same parking lot by the Wal*Mart (naturally), then saw a car speed away. Cops showed up maybe 10 minutes later.

I didn't need the gun then, but it was locked and loaded with my hand on it if i did. A guy took 4 in the chest and we heard the shots in the same parking lot. That's good enough reason for me to carry all the time, anywhere. You never know.

[frankenbeemer]

4 year old shoots himself in the head:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/stepfather-charged-in-accidental-shooting-death-of-woodbridge-4-year-old/2012/08/09/426aed2c-e255-11e1-98e7-89d659f9c106_blog.html

9 year old shot in the chest by brother:

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2012/06/9-year-old-critically-injured-in-accidental-shooting-by-brother/

17 month old shot by 28 month old:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31327616/detail.html

We can go back and forth all day on pro-gun vs anti-gun. Bottom line is that guns kill far more innocent people every year than they do criminals. So while you may feel far safer carrying around a loaded, chambered, no-safety gun, numbers prove you're far more likely to shoot yourself or family member than any kind of threat.

"For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

This is an argument from emotion, not reason.

Central TX. 8/7/12 Man on shooting spree over neighbor hood dispute, pins cop down with and AR. Another resident plugs him 3 times at a 150 yards with a PISTOL!!!!!!

http://deadlinelive.info/2012/08/07/...with-a-pistol/

KHOU TV (Houston) reports it was 150 feet. Still superb marksmanship if somewhat short of legendary status.

This is such an embarrassingly bad argument you should really be ashamed of using it to make your point.

There's no correlation between this man defending his business and property from armed robbers and three children who unfortunately suffered injuries from children involved in accidental shootings due to negligent parents. NONE.

You should be raging about criminally negligent gun owners who don't keep their guns locked up around kids--it is extremely unfortunate such incidents happen as often as they do.

Thank you.

[mrsleeve]

^
strangely we are in agreement. Is there some 1 in 80,000 year planetary alignment going on or something???

[BraveUlysses]

So you're saying that 3 children deserve to be paralyzed for life so that this guy can get some vigilante justice?

Was he being threatened by them? No, he arrived at the scene and responded to an alarm. He had no legal ground to shoot them and he'll (hopefully) go to jail for a very long time. Robbery is not a threat to the owner's life and therefor he did not, on legal grounds, have the right to use deadly force. No wonder his lawyer told him to shut the fuck up, he knows the guy is boned if it goes to trial.

Seriously though, it's amazing that you feel 3 innocent children should have their lives destroyed so that 1 man can shoot some burglars. How is that a "match"?

This is such an embarrassingly bad argument you should really be ashamed of using it to make your point.

There's no correlation between this man defending his business and property from armed robbers and three children who unfortunately suffered injuries from children involved in accidental shootings due to negligent parents. NONE.

You should be raging about criminally negligent gun owners who don't keep their guns locked up around kids--it is extremely unfortunate such incidents happen as often as they do.

[Vedubin01]

So you're saying that 3 children deserve to be paralyzed for life so that this guy can get some vigilante justice?

Was he being threatened by them? No, he arrived at the scene and responded to an alarm. He had no legal ground to shoot them and he'll (hopefully) go to jail for a very long time. Robbery is not a threat to the owner's life and therefor he did not, on legal grounds, have the right to use deadly force. No wonder his lawyer told him to shut the fuck up.

Seriously though, it's amazing that you feel 3 innocent children should have their lives destroyed so that 1 man can shoot some burglars. I bet you'd feel differently if it was your kids.

Actually this thread was started to see how many CCW's saved lives vs "bad guys" using them on others in a crime. The 3 you posted are accidental and are the full fault of their parents for being stupid and owning a firearm. So your posts were nothing but trolling as your threads had nothing to do with Guns in Crimes vs Guns saving lives during a crime.


My kids would never be in that situation as No one has the combo to my safe. My kids would also be taught the dangers of firearms and learn to respect them. Understanding that they are not toys.

No I don't feel bad for the family that failed to educate their kids or be stupid enough to leave one around for their child to get to.

[mrsleeve]

Shitty Parenting is the root of your argument, way to go with miss directed blame, your right though its not the kids fault its the parents

I know lets ban bad parents, I bet that will solve all of the issues with inanimate objects right????

[CorvallisBMW]

So you're saying that 3 children deserve to be paralyzed for life so that this guy can get some vigilante justice?

Was he being threatened by them? No, he arrived at the scene and responded to an alarm. He had no legal ground to shoot them and he'll (hopefully) go to jail for a very long time. Robbery is not a threat to the owner's life and therefor he did not, on legal grounds, have the right to use deadly force. No wonder his lawyer told him to shut the fuck up, he knows the guy is boned if it goes to trial.

Seriously though, it's amazing that you feel 3 innocent children should have their lives destroyed so that 1 man can shoot some burglars. How is that a "match"?

[Vedubin01]

3 thieves drove some type of an auto through the wall of a gun shop located in North Augusta, SC at about 4am this morning. The owner responded to a silent alarm and engaged them with gun fire. 1 dead at the scene . The 2 others fled the scene only to seek help for thier wounds up the road at a Waffle House. The owner on the advice of his lawyer is keeping his mouth shut. And I don't blame him.
Name of the shop is...........Guns and Ammo.
This occured in Aiken county.

Score 1 for the good guys.


just matched your 3 :/

[CorvallisBMW]

4 year old shoots himself in the head:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/stepfather-charged-in-accidental-shooting-death-of-woodbridge-4-year-old/2012/08/09/426aed2c-e255-11e1-98e7-89d659f9c106_blog.html

9 year old shot in the chest by brother:

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2012/06/9-year-old-critically-injured-in-accidental-shooting-by-brother/

17 month old shot by 28 month old:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31327616/detail.html

We can go back and forth all day on pro-gun vs anti-gun. Bottom line is that guns kill far more innocent people every year than they do criminals. So while you may feel far safer carrying around a loaded, chambered, no-safety gun, numbers prove you're far more likely to shoot yourself or family member than any kind of threat.

"For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

[mrsleeve]

Central TX. 8/7/12 Man on shooting spree over neighbor hood dispute, pins cop down with and AR. Another resident plugs him 3 times at a 150 yards with a PISTOL!!!!!!

http://deadlinelive.info/2012/08/07/armed-citizen-in-tx-stops-shooting-spree-and-saves-cop-by-making-150-yard-shot-with-a-pistol/