When CCW saves peoples lives thread.

[mrcheezle19]

I came here for Complete Custom Wheels. I am disappoint.

[McGyver]

I came here for Complete Custom Wheels. I am disappoint.

I thought it was going to be Component Cooling Water. I am equally disappoint.

[BraveUlysses]

Let's have a thread where legit gun owners kill family member's thread?

We should just start a thread for posting articles about scumbag gun owners who execute people under the guise of "defending themselves"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/minnesota-jury-finds-byron-smith-65-guilty-murdering-teen-intruders-article-1.1773270

^Good to see this piece of shit will die in jail.

Another one of these cases, just happened the other day:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/29/foreign-exchange-student-shot/8445731/

[mrsleeve]

the MN case was an attempt to pervert the notion of self defense laws, MN does not have a true Castle doctrine law on the books. No matter what Self defense laws are out there you cant shoot some one till they stop attacking then wait 5 mins and then execute them AND NOT CALL THE COPS. Shit bag should be going to jail..... Your point is just what here????

Oh that someone who broke the law, is using a statue to try and get out of jail time, (lawyer I think might have something to do with that as well) or is it that because he owns firearms that he is a scumbag ????

Dont know much about the case in Missoulla, but 1, you dont bait people into you property to steal shit, 2 you dont fire a warning shot especially with out knowing where your rounds are going to land. But really NO you dont fire warning shots no matter what the Vice President tells you to do.......... You will be the one in jail for doing so. 3 MT castle law will not save him, You have to be under threat of life or limb even in your own home , not in defense of your property hes going to jail for a long ass time. If the guy had not "baited" and "fired warning shots" or with out seeing the target, then our Castle law might keep him out of jail. If you could not see him to hit him purposefully you could not see the kid and if he was a threat or not = No castle law in effect.

Stupid exchange student you dont go into other peoples houses to take things that dont belong to you, do it long enough your likely to get shot almost anywhere in the country no just MT. Why are the germans getting involved anyway, kid was out committing felonies in the 1st place, great example to send on an exchange program. Not saying kid deserved to die, just saying play stupid games sometimes you win a even dumber prize.


Enhorn if you look for a little bit there is thread on that topic already

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I like how guys attempt to pigeon hole 100+ million gun owners on the actions of just a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction of owners.

[ParsedOut]

We should just start a thread for posting articles about scumbag gun owners who execute people under the guise of "defending themselves"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/minnesota-jury-finds-byron-smith-65-guilty-murdering-teen-intruders-article-1.1773270

^Good to see this piece of shit will die in jail.

Another one of these cases, just happened the other day:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-shot/8445731/

I will in NO WAY condone these actions, but I will say that extreme punishments for breaking laws WILL have an effect in keeping people from doing stupid things. The whole cutting a hand off if caught stealing would be a much bigger deterrent than a few months of room and board and learning from more seasoned criminals how to get away with it next time or who to talk to in order to get an illegal firearm to be used for the next robbery. That next robbery that may cost the life of innocent citizens who have been conditioned to feel that owning a gun for self defense is unnecessary and "evil".

An armed society with HARSH punishments for breaking criminal law will make a positive impact on the vast majority of law abiding citizens. Too bad our country is so much more "civilized" than that, so civilized we're letting our own justice system accelerate the bowl spin.

[DER E30]

I will in NO WAY condone these actions, but I will say that extreme punishments for breaking laws WILL have an effect in keeping people from doing stupid things. The whole cutting a hand off if caught stealing would be a much bigger deterrent than a few months of room and board and learning from more seasoned criminals how to get away with it next time or who to talk to in order to get an illegal firearm to be used for the next robbery. That next robbery that may cost the life of innocent citizens who have been conditioned to feel that owning a gun for self defense is unnecessary and "evil".

An armed society with HARSH punishments for breaking criminal law will make a positive impact on the vast majority of law abiding citizens. Too bad our country is so much more "civilized" than that, so civilized we're letting our own justice system accelerate the bowl spin.

Agreed.

[z31maniac]

I will in NO WAY condone these actions, but I will say that extreme punishments for breaking laws WILL have an effect in keeping people from doing stupid things. The whole cutting a hand off if caught stealing would be a much bigger deterrent than a few months of room and board and learning from more seasoned criminals how to get away with it next time or who to talk to in order to get an illegal firearm to be used for the next robbery. That next robbery that may cost the life of innocent citizens who have been conditioned to feel that owning a gun for self defense is unnecessary and "evil".

An armed society with HARSH punishments for breaking criminal law will make a positive impact on the vast majority of law abiding citizens. Too bad our country is so much more "civilized" than that, so civilized we're letting our own justice system accelerate the bowl spin.

Do you have any factual data to back this up claim?

(That harsher punishments deter crimes.)

[ParsedOut]

Do you have any factual data to back this up claim?

(That harsher punishments deter crimes.)

If we return our country to the Republic as originally intended and keep the scumbags in the Federal government out of the state's business, I guarantee you some states would make these changes and hard data would soon follow. As you know, accurate factual data isn't possible without trying to compare other countries in the world with very different cultures and laws, and that wouldn't be a very compelling argument now would it?

Let me ask you this, tell me how you think our current justice system is better than what I proposed...because it's just obviously working so well. Or what you propose as a fix to our current dilemma of robbery, rape and murder.

[DER E30]

^^^I feel like with violent criminals like rapists, if the justice system declares them guilty, then they should be strung up outside the courthouse. That would send the message "this is what happens if you do X" and we wouldn't have to worry that they would be released back into circulation and hurt more innocents.

I was at the post office yesterday and I laughed at the sign that said something like "armed robbery is a federal felony punishable by 25 years in prison..." Wait?! Really?!?!?!! Nah I never woulda thought that!
Armed robbers should, once proven guilty, firing squad. End it. Send the message. That isn't tolerated here!

[z31maniac]

If we return our country to the Republic as originally intended and keep the scumbags in the Federal government out of the state's business, I guarantee you some states would make these changes and hard data would soon follow. As you know, accurate factual data isn't possible without trying to compare other countries in the world with very different cultures and laws, and that wouldn't be a very compelling argument now would it?

Let me ask you this, tell me how you think our current justice system is better than what I proposed...because it's just obviously working so well. Or what you propose as a fix to our current dilemma of robbery, rape and murder.

As I suspected, you don't have any factual information to back up your conjecture.

If you'll do your research, you'll find that things like harsh penalties and 3 strike laws tend to EXACERBATE crime.

[ParsedOut]

As I suspected, you don't have any factual information to back up your conjecture.

If you'll do your research, you'll find that things like harsh penalties and 3 strike laws tend to EXACERBATE crime.

Post your factual information then big nuts.

[DER E30]

Post your factual information then big nuts.

Owned

[z31maniac]

Post your factual information then big nuts.

You made the assertion, back it up.

Owned

Yep, it was some pretty epic pwnage.

[BraveUlysses]

^^^I feel like with violent criminals like rapists, if the justice system declares them guilty, then they should be strung up outside the courthouse. That would send the message "this is what happens if you do X" and we wouldn't have to worry that they would be released back into circulation and hurt more innocents.

I was at the post office yesterday and I laughed at the sign that said something like "armed robbery is a federal felony punishable by 25 years in prison..." Wait?! Really?!?!?!! Nah I never woulda thought that!
Armed robbers should, once proven guilty, firing squad. End it. Send the message. That isn't tolerated here!

I don't think you've thought this viewpoint through very well--which countries do what you think we should be doing?

Do you really want to model our society off countries where the government kills people (guilty or not) constantly?

[frankenbeemer]

Crime rates often drop when criminal penalties are increased. But it's often hard to tell if the rates go down because the threat of longer sentences deters potential criminals, or if the drop happens because actual criminals are physically removed from the street for longer periods.