The official R3V Presidential poll

[Grant318is]

I don't actually believe this 47% number at all. Even if you make minimum wage you still pay tax on it. It's insulting.

Yes, but at the end of the year, those people get tax deductions that reduce the amount of taxes paid to 0.

[Cliche Guevara]

I don't actually believe this 47% number at all. Even if you make minimum wage you still pay tax on it. It's insulting.

That's actually true. Most of that group still pay payroll tax, another large group are retired seniors, still more make $20k or less, and some are soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan who are exempt from federal income tax. So even though the number is accurate his assessment is still quite insulting.

[VinniE30]

If the entire internet knows then what isn't she a more popular candidate?

Because the entire internet does not know about her. And if you go around asking people you will find that way less people know about her than people like us that spend a lot of time on the internet. It's all because the media doesn't cover third parties.

[BraveUlysses]

The point is that no matter what you think of Romney, the fact is that 47 percent of people don't pay taxes. At the same time, the majority of those people are receiving government aid. In other words, they are no paying into a system, but they are receiving benefits.

So what if they aren't paying INCOME taxes? You're jumping to the conclusion that they are on government assistance AND that they have not paid into it.

Regardless of what you believe about the kind of people on these programs or their intentions, you should be able to see the issue at hand.

Taking all the money from all the rich people in this country wouldn't fix any of these issues. Therefore criminalizing every successful person as rich and greedy gets you nowhere.

I hope you're having fun slaying that strawman.

[CorvallisBMW]

The point is that no matter what you think of Romney, the fact is that 47 percent of people don't pay taxes.

I tried to stay out of this, but when someone says something THIS STUPID, I have to interject.

Have you ever heard of this new-fangled thing called a "sales tax"? What about payroll tax? Social Security tax? Medicare tax?

Do you live in a state within the USA? Does that state have taxes? What about your county, or city? Do they have taxes? Bond measures?

Every single person in this country pays taxes. In fact, the poor often pay a far larger share of their income in taxes than the wealthy, due to the highly regressive nature of sales taxes and payroll taxes. Combine that with the fact that capital gains tax rates are much lower than standard income tax rates, and suddenly Warren Buffet's secretary pays a higher tax rate than he does.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/15/news/economy/buffett_taxes/index.htm

At the same time, the majority of those people are receiving government aid.

Do you have any sources to back up this claim?

[mrsleeve]

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Still does not quite get it. :(

[Vedubin01]

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Still does not quite get it. :(

sadly you are not kidding!

[CorvallisBMW]

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Still does not quite get it. :(

Exactly what do I "not quite get"? Or is this just another empty post to make your post count look like you actually contribute to this forum?

[gwb72tii]

That a family of four making 60k gets more back fom the Feds than they paid in in income tax

[nando]

That a family of four making 60k gets more back fom the Feds than they paid in in income tax

I have a family of 4, and this isn't quite true. my federal tax rate is low but it's not 0. local taxes however, are insane!

[Vedubin01]

when you say local taxes, you meaning state and county taxes?

And if so, what is the taxes in your local area? Thats why I live in Florida. No state income tax, no food or medicine tax, 7 percent sales tax etc... Id only visit Washington.

[nando]

no state income tax but we have a very high sales tax, property taxes, all kinds of city fees on every service you can imagine, bag taxes, everything is taxed. first the state, then the county, then the city (and the port agency). it's one of the most regressive systems in the country, but we're one of the liberal wackjob states. go figure.

[Vedubin01]

no state income tax but we have a very high sales tax, property taxes, all kinds of city fees on every service you can imagine, bag taxes, everything is taxed. first the state, then the county, then the city (and the port agency). it's one of the most regressive systems in the country, but we're one of the liberal wackjob states. go figure.

Sections of Miami have insane property taxes. My condo out west of the beach was not that bad. Sold that and now rent on the beach much closer to work. I have no idea what they are right around here.

If its that regressive, why not move out of the state. Somewhere where you can save more of your earnings?

[squidmaster]

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Still does not quite get it. :(

Actually you're the one that just can't get it.

[squidmaster]