Presidential debate...

[Herr Faust Schinken]

Wow, this one's actually pretty fun.

im enjoying this one the format allows the debaters to be more fluid i guess thats how i would put it

[Fusion]

Wow, this one's actually pretty fun.

[joshh]

so you're asserting the messiah told the truth in the 08 campaign?
seriously?
can you actually look in the mirror and convince yourself romney is the one at fault, the only one who stretches the truth, and obama is innocent?

Benghazigate esk....lol. Obama tells no lies!

But he does allow Americans to die and does absolutely nothing about it.

[gwb72tii]

so you're asserting the messiah told the truth in the 08 campaign?
seriously?
can you actually look in the mirror and convince yourself romney is the one at fault, the only one who stretches the truth, and obama is innocent?

[Kershaw]

another good op ed.

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/the-lying-precedent/

The Lying Precedent
By JULIET LAPIDOS

Consider a few videos as Mitt Romney tries, in the last weeks of the campaign, to appear vaguely moderate.

The first shows Mr. Romney at CPAC calling himself “severely conservative.” The second, an Obama campaign ad from April, amounts to a greatest hits of his severely conservative statements. The third, from Daily Kos, compares what Mr. Romney said at last week’s debate with previous comments.

It’s impossible to say which Mitt Romney is the “real” Mitt Romney. But what we don’t know about Mr. Romney seems secondary to what we do know: He doesn’t think authenticity or consistency or conviction matter. It’s not just that he tweaks his message to suit his audience; he’s willing to change his message for his audience. (And if he’s president, his audience will be the Republican-dominated, Tea-Party-influenced House.)

It must be the case that many Americans recognize his contortions, and will vote for him regardless because they don’t like the president. That’s their right. But if Mr. Romney wins, he’ll set a nasty precedent. Candidates will be justified in assuming not only that they can lie, but that they can tell different lies to different audiences from week to week, and voters will actually reward them.

[EN318isPDX]

Carry on

[Kershaw]

annnddd http://roboromney.com/ pick any topic stance you like. romney has a quote supporting it.

[Kershaw]

romney actually didnt debate obama, he debated himself.

[mrsleeve]

on that note

[randomsv650]

How many cop-outs do you think we'll get from the Romney supporters before one of them admits that his refusal to explain his plan is fucking retarded?

If you caught the news, he plans to go into detail over the next 2 weeks on his "plans." But they probably didn't mention that on NBC, eh?

But, on the flip, show me Obama's plan. Basically it's more of the same as the last 4 years, with a new catch phrase: "FORWARD!"

[mrsleeve]

Cuban douche
WOW talk about putting words in my mouth Where did I say that. I was responding to evandael, since I know I am included in the "vindictive waffleswaffleswaffleswaffless" reference. I am pointing out that I have spent the better part of my life in that income bracket. So I know what its like to live on less than 20k a year. The fact I am where I am, is a direct result of those experiences, an incentive if you will to not have to be in a position where I would have to rely on the govt .

I am no better than anyone else, I am nothing special, I am totally average, thats why I say If I can do it anyone can and should

AGAIN We never needed the help, so we didnt take it, we were raised to take care of our selves.

Mr Franklin says it so much better than I

"I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer - Ben Franklin

[joshh]

That post reads exactly like you saying that you're better than the people that are dependent on food stamps.

No it reads, the people on food stamps can pull their own fucking boot straps up if they so choose to.

[Cliche Guevara]

That post reads exactly like you saying that you're better than the people that are dependent on food stamps.

[mrsleeve]

^

Speak for your self, I grew up on the bottom side of working class, we were poor, not dirt floor poor but we did qualify for food assistance and free school food most of my child hood. You know something we NEVER took those things because we didn't need them. We were raised to take care of our selves and help our families, I have been that poor as an adult working man too.

I have made. Sacrifices and worked my ass off to not have to live like that again. If I can do it anyone else can and should be able too as well

[evandael]

^ still a side discussion, but +1. seriously, some of you live with such a narrow scope of experience.


i think if everyone lived like the poorest of the working poor just once in their life, some of us wouldn't be such vindictive waffleswaffleswaffleswaffless when in came to stuff like unemployment, welfare, medicare/caid.. yes there is fraud in these systems but again, we can't judge the character of the majority on the actions of the minority.


that's why i vote democrat. i think the republican party (of course the dems too but to a far lesser extent) characterizes values that are vindictive, self-absorbed, and lacking in compassion.