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  • joshh
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    Originally posted by e30e
    So both sides are assholes, while one guy wants to keep unions in power and keep our taxes about the same (if you suddenly became dense and forgot your job is unionized although I'm sure you have some regret, O is for you) AND the other wants to fuck the unions and raise our taxes on us because we make less than 250k (Mormon monster)...So let me guess you'll vote for mitten cakes because you slaughter the guy who will benefit you most because you can't quote some 200 year old quote.....

    Dude its simple this world is about what does the most for you and this election; its the O man. Voting our countries politics is a less of two evils....My vote is cancelled out by Mormons and idiots in sun city.
    So you have no clue how Obama care is going to fuck us yet then. And you're making shit up otherwise...

    Here's you're boy at work...


    The Labor Department issued guidance in July saying it would be “inappropriate” for contractors to issue notices of potential layoffs tied to sequestration cuts. But a few contractors, most notably Lockheed Martin, said they still were considering whether to issue the notices — which would be sent out just days before the November election.

    But the Friday guidance from the Office of Management and Budget raised the stakes in the dispute, telling contractors that they would be compensated for legal costs if layoffs occur due to contract cancellations under sequestration — but only if the contractors follow the Labor guidance.

    The guidance said that if plant closings or mass layoffs occur under sequestration, then “employee compensation costs for [Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification] WARN act liability as determined by a court” would be paid for covered by the contracting federal agency.

    Senate Republicans, who accused the White House of trying to hide job losses after the first guidance, said Friday that the new OMB statement “puts politics ahead of American workers.”

    “The Obama Administration is cynically trying to skirt the WARN Act to keep the American people in the dark about this looming national security and fiscal crisis,” Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) said in a statement. “The president should insist that companies act in accordance with the clearly stated law and move forward with the layoff notices.”

    The fight over WARN Act notices began in June when Lockheed Martin CEO Bob Stevens said his company might send the notices to all 123,000 of its employees.

    Some companies were hesitant to follow Lockheed, but several others told McCain in letters earlier this month they might send the notices, too, despite the Labor Department guidance.
    Last edited by joshh; 10-04-2012, 09:28 PM.

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  • e30e
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    Originally posted by mrsleeve
    Is it really

    Or shall we continue with the fun facts of the matter

    5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans dumped on the economy from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Thanks to the direct implications of Dodd/Frank

    Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011. The first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush kinda got cold feet with spending increases.

    In 09 Madam Nan & Harry pulled and end run around Bush, passing continuing resolutions to keep govt running until the 0 could take over. The same time a massive omnibus spending bill was passed to complete the 2009 budgets. The 0 was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the fucking thing as POTUS in 2009 .

    The Democrats inherited a deficit yes, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in 5 fucking years, the 4th or 5th straight year of declining deficit spending. After that, Dems in Congress took control of spending, and that includes, the 0 who voted for those god dammed things. They still have YET to pass a fucking budget................................

    If Obama inherited any fucking thing, he inherited it from himself.

    Yeah the Dems, the 0 and Dodd/Frank Nan and Reid, had absolutely nothing to do with any of it, it must have all been those evil evil conservatives.
    So both sides are assholes, while one guy wants to keep unions in power and keep our taxes about the same (if you suddenly became dense and forgot your job is unionized although I'm sure you have some regret, O is for you) AND the other wants to fuck the unions and raise our taxes on us because we make less than 250k (Mormon monster)...So let me guess you'll vote for mitten cakes because you slaughter the guy who will benefit you most because you can't quote some 200 year old quote.....

    Dude its simple this world is about what does the most for you and this election; its the O man. Voting our countries politics is a less of two evils....My vote is cancelled out by Mormons and idiots in sun city.

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  • joshh
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    Originally posted by evandael
    what exactly are you addressing? in detail please.


    RE: taxes and job growth/loss.. never in all my years have i heard my father, a small business owner, say 'gee, taxes are high, i'm gonna have to lay off one of my guys'. small businesses can't afford to lose competent, trained employees. they tough it out together because the alternative is too costly in the long run.

    by contrast, corporations can cut people left and right because ultimately, they don't care about their employees, and their employees don't matter to them. outsourcing, downsizing, cost-cutting, taking advantage of tax loopholes, shifty investment strategies.. it's all driven by corporate greed. shall we continue to pander to that mentality?



    let people be laid off. let them find other work with a smaller company, a newer company, a company that gives a shit.. and let the giants crumble under their own poor employee-employer relations strategies. and in the meantime, let these people collect a little unemployment. it's not like they're living the high life off of their $200/week checks. you guys paint such a fantastically overblown picture of people who receive entitlements. where is your human side? or are you as soulless as the corporate fucks who continue to puppeteer our economy?

    You said the government should not be run like a business. Then what should it be run like. What kind of detail am I supposed to give with a simplistic question like that?

    You mean it's evil to let people take 2.5 years off while they collect unemployment if they like while those who are really trying pay their fucking way.

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  • joshh
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    Originally posted by mrsleeve
    Is it really

    Or shall we continue with the fun facts of the matter

    5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans dumped on the economy from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Thanks to the direct implications of Dodd/Frank

    Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011. The first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush kinda got cold feet with spending increases.

    In 09 Madam Nan & Harry pulled and end run around Bush, passing continuing resolutions to keep govt running until the 0 could take over. The same time a massive omnibus spending bill was passed to complete the 2009 budgets. The 0 was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the fucking thing as POTUS in 2009 .

    The Democrats inherited a deficit yes, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in 5 fucking years, the 4th or 5th straight year of declining deficit spending. After that, Dems in Congress took control of spending, and that includes, the 0 who voted for those god dammed things. They still have YET to pass a fucking budget................................

    If Obama inherited any fucking thing, he inherited it from himself.

    Yeah the Dems, the 0 and Dodd/Frank Nan and Reid, had absolutely nothing to do with any of it, it must have all been those evil evil conservatives.
    They like to deny the facts. This was a two party disaster.




    Let's not forget Obama is taking credit for Bush bailing out the auto industry.....

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  • mrsleeve
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    Is it really

    Or shall we continue with the fun facts of the matter

    5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans dumped on the economy from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Thanks to the direct implications of Dodd/Frank

    Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011. The first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush kinda got cold feet with spending increases.

    In 09 Madam Nan & Harry pulled and end run around Bush, passing continuing resolutions to keep govt running until the 0 could take over. The same time a massive omnibus spending bill was passed to complete the 2009 budgets. The 0 was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the fucking thing as POTUS in 2009 .

    The Democrats inherited a deficit yes, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in 5 fucking years, the 4th or 5th straight year of declining deficit spending. After that, Dems in Congress took control of spending, and that includes, the 0 who voted for those god dammed things. They still have YET to pass a fucking budget................................

    If Obama inherited any fucking thing, he inherited it from himself.

    Yeah the Dems, the 0 and Dodd/Frank Nan and Reid, had absolutely nothing to do with any of it, it must have all been those evil evil conservatives.
    Last edited by mrsleeve; 10-04-2012, 07:22 PM.

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  • Cliche Guevara
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    YES!!! CORRELATION ALWAYS EQUALS CAUSATION!!!

    Come on, man, that's a ridiculous argument and you know it.

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  • mrsleeve
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    Apparently, I'm supposed to be more pissed about what Mitten is doing with his money than what The 0 is doing with mine.



    Nice try there herbie:

    January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress for the 1st time in a dozen years.

    At the time, The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77, The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%, The Unemployment rate was 4.6%, George Bush ' s Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH!!!!!!!!

    January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.

    The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?

    THE FUCKING BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES SECTOR !!!!!

    Yup all Bush and the Republicans huh :crazy:

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  • herbivor
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    I found Obama missed a few opportunities to really stick it to Romney on Obamacare. Romney basically wants to keep all the good things while removing the things that pay for them. Same with Dodd Frank, his tax cuts, and Medicare. Come to think of it just about anything he proposes doesn't have a strategy for paying for it.
    Anyway, if you want a more fiscal conservative, more job creation, and more economic growth, you have a better chance with a democrat than a republican president when you look at the past 70 years.

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  • Cliche Guevara
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    We're up to two, now. Nice deflections.

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  • Vedubin01
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    Originally posted by Cliche Guevara
    How many cop-outs do you think we'll get from the Romney supporters before one of them admits that his refusal to explain his plan is fucking retarded?

    Transparency right?

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  • Cliche Guevara
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    How many cop-outs do you think we'll get from the Romney supporters before one of them admits that his refusal to explain his plan is fucking retarded?

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  • Kershaw
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    *yawn*

    lame...

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  • Vedubin01
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    "you have to pass it to know whats in it"

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  • Cliche Guevara
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    Originally posted by mrcheezle19
    Romney didn't give every single detail about what he's going to do because that's not the way to go about it and win a presidency. He gave decent details on pans.
    No. Time and time again Romney and Ryan have been asked to explain how they would make up the $5 trillion their tax plan adds to the deficit. Their answer has consistently been "fuck you it's not $5 trillion" (without ever giving their own figure) and "fuck you I'm not gonna tell you." $5 trillion is a lot of fucking money and when someone says they can save that much through eliminating deductions and loopholes alone they should be greeted with pure incredulity until they offer some explanation. They say the math works out. If that's true then at some point in time they did the math and should have it documented. At the very least they could put it online for us to see. The simple fact is that if they actually have a plan for making up that money there is no reason we should not know the details of it.

    Regarding the debate, while I was watching it I didn't consider it a victory for Romney in the least, just a draw. Obama wasn't being the least bit aggressive, but Romney was busy lying 90% of the time so it seemed out even. But that perspective arose purely because I'm well informed and knew when Romney was lying. Sadly, most people don't, and in that light he clearly came out ahead. I'd say that Obama's plan was to play it cool and not say/do anything retarded, which he certainly accomplished. In the meantime Romney was busy backtracking on previous stances and just flat out making shit up, and because of that Obama will be armed to the teeth with false claims and misdirections that he can bring up in the next debates. Let's face it, the first debate won't matter much because the voters will be thinking about the most recent one when their casting their ballot.
    Last edited by Cliche Guevara; 10-04-2012, 04:43 PM.

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  • Kershaw
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    Originally posted by mrcheezle19
    What do you mean out of thin air?
    go read over your incredibly flawed example again if you dont get it. you cant just say, "he'll add 4 jobs." without explaining HOW he is going to do that and no mention of obama creating jobs as well. (which he has a proven record of doing.) it's just a bad argument and you should feel bad.


    Indeed, it seems to me Romney thrived in large part because he abandoned the pretense of honesty. And as it turns out, winning a debate is surprisingly easy when a candidate decides he can say anything and expect to get away with it.

    Romney told viewers his proposed $5 trillion tax cut isn't really his proposed $5 trillion tax cut. He suggested he could eliminate a $1 trillion deficit by going after Big Bird. He said his non-existent health care plan protects those with pre-existing conditions when in reality the exact opposite is true. He cited trumped up "studies" from far-right ideologues as if they're legitimate, assuming the public won't know the difference. He said a deficit that's shrunk has actually "doubled."

    And when Romney wasn't repeating falsehoods, he was furiously shaking an Etch A Sketch, rolling out yet another version of himself.

    This new model -- version 8.0? 9.0? -- likes regulations of the financial industry, wants to work with Democrats, thinks his Massachusetts health care law was a great idea, and has no use for the goals of his running mate's budget plan that Romney enthusiastically endorsed. Does this in any way reflect the candidate who's been running for president the last year and a half? No, but the Republican assumes most voters won't realize and most news organizations covering the campaign won't tell them.

    He might very well be right.

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