Not that it matters but, gays?

[Kershaw]

you either didnt watch the video all the way through or i'm not sure what point you're trying to make....?

[Swanny]

you either didnt watch the video all the way through or i'm not sure what point you're trying to make....?

Oh man you got me! I was so tweaked by the first minute i couldnt deal. Well proves my intolerance right there!

[camshaftgsxr]

Oh man you got me! I was so tweaked by the first minute i couldnt deal. Well proves my intolerance right there!

< this guy saw the humor ;) :giggle:

[kwill22]

Yea I say it's not genetic. It depends on how they were raised and their experiences during those vulnerable times while growing up and learning who they are.

And I've met several gay people that said themselves that they don't think it's genetic and that they chose and some even knew at what point in their lives that swayed them the other way.

And 2 sticks or 2 woman holes don't make a baby so I don't see how it would be genetic. I don't remember where but I've seen pretty good evidence (scientifically) that its not genetic. I don't agree with it but I also don't treat them any different. . They are humans just with different beliefs.

Also seems that a bunch of people have a misrepresentation/ignorance of Christianity. They're going off what they heard or read on a few churches or organizations at one point and automatically group the whole bunch in that. If that thinking was applied to other aspects of society, all black people would be looked at as thugs and ignorant ghetto welfare babies, all rush people would be looked at as snobs with their noses in the air and they sh*t don't stink, all blondes are dumb.... I could go on but am I getting to close to home.

It's that type of thinking that hurts society. Perpetuating stereotypes.

[camshaftgsxr]

Yea I say it's not genetic. It depends on how they were raised and their experiences during those vulnerable times while growing up and learning who they are.

And I've met several gay people that said themselves that they don't think it's genetic and that they chose and some even knew at what point in their lives that swayed them the other way.

And 2 sticks or 2 woman holes don't make a baby so I don't see how it would be genetic. I don't remember where but I've seen pretty good evidence (scientifically) that its not genetic. I don't agree with it but I also don't treat them any different. . They are humans just with different beliefs.

imma stop you right there http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/...reducation.uk3

[Kershaw]

And I've met several gay people that said themselves that they don't think it's genetic

and what are their qualifications to make that statement? the fact that they are gay? lol.

that's a hilarious statement to make. "im gay and this is what i think (even though i failed HS science class, lol guys!) and since im gay and have firsthand experience with being gay i must be right!"

no.

A casual stroll through a lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. - Friedrich Nietzsche.

faith or belief in something does not mean it's true.

there are millions of genetic markers that trip due to your social environment. people with the same propensity to get schizophrenia might go their entire lives without getting it, or due to some stress, the marker might get set off. this quasi-genetic/environmental conditioning field is a relatively new field and there is so much more for us to learn.

however, if the basis for homosexuality and indeed attraction in general were NOT in the genes and strictly societal, you would find cultures where homosexuality does not exist. however that is not the case, you find the same levels of homosexuality across the board. it's just the tolerance for homosexuality varies.

and let's remove our broad societal pressures and our egotistical belief in our higher thought powers. what about other mammals? guess what? 1500 other species display homosexuality as well. maybe mallard ducks give in to peer pressure to be gay and live the gay way?

[kwill22]

Right back atchya. Top hits on google right under yours.

http://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.asp

http://blog.1069.com/is-being-gay-genetic.html


This one says it doesn't exist but evidence leads them to think its genetic in men which leads me to believe hormonal imbalances and other factors that can be inherited. Etc...

http://m.discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay


At kershaw, faith isn't supposed to be proof. Faith is a personal belief. Just because you have faith in something doesn't mean its true or that everyone has to believe it.

you say if it was societal that it wouldn't be found in some cultures? Can you elaborate because that would mean that everyone in a specific culture is exactly the same. Same situation, same surroundings, same everything otherwise the variables would be too different and that would be societal. And what about dudes in prison? Surely everyone that bangs dudes in prison for pleasure/dominance is gay when they go in. And the people interviewed in documentaries that are made to be the "woman" in men prisons that get dominated and when they're released later down the line are gay.

Speaking of which, one thing annoys me. When people say no homo. You can't tell somebody you care about them without being gay or being seen as sensitive or weak. EFF MAINSTREAM!!

[camshaftgsxr]

Right back atchya. Top hits on google right under yours.

http://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.asp

http://blog.1069.com/is-being-gay-genetic.html

This one says it doesn't exist but evidence leads them to think its genetic in men which leads me to believe hormonal imbalances and other factors that can be inherited. Etc...

http://m.discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay

At kershaw, faith isn't supposed to be proof. Faith is a personal belief. Just because you have faith in something doesn't mean someone else does.

you are fucking kidding me right? "the true origin archive" 'exposing the myth of evolution'

what backwards "teach creationism in our science classes" inbred evangelical hole did you find that first article in? who wrote it? a preacher?

>>because i promise you it wasnt anyone with a degree in a biology or genetics<< this statement is totally wrong


note- im not cursing you or trying to be insulting, just a tad over the top

[joshh]

Annnnnd this is where it goes around in circles.

Homosexuality is a perversion of the way the human body was meant to keep the line going. Having said that. We do need to respect people's personal choices if it's not hurting anyone else. If two consenting adults want to have this type of relationship they should be allowed to have it.

[LBJefferies]

Annnnnd this is where it goes around in circles.

Homosexuality is a perversion of the way the human body was meant to keep the line going. Having said that. We do need to respect people's personal choices if it's not hurting anyone else. If two consenting adults want to have this type of relationship they should be allowed to have it.

Scientology is a perversion of the mind and of rationality.

You're the biggest pervert of them all Joshh.

[Kershaw]

it's a perversion?

just like white skin, blue eyes, or blonde hair right? those are all genetic mutations as well. i wonder why it stuck around though... and why homosexuality is so wide spread among so many species?

must be because it's not detrimental to keeping a species going.

[LBJefferies]

must be because it's not detrimental to keeping a species going.

It is a convenient form of voluntary population control by otherwise healthy individuals. It's too bad more people aren't gay. The world would be less populated and everyone would dress nicer and have clean houses.

[camshaftgsxr]

my case and point against any and all creationist websites with "creationist doctors" claiming any kind of proof that being gay is a choice. (aside from my personal experiences which i promise you they are wrong as wrong can be)

"in the United States, 7 percent of eminent scientists believe in God, while 40 percent of less eminent scientists believe in God. In Britain, the survey indicated that just under 5 percent of eminent scientists believe in God. A lesser proportion would believe in creation; it is known that many of the general population who believe in God do not necessarily believe in a literalist version of the Creation story. In fact, Biblical-literalist creationism is considered a fringe belief."

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Approximately_what_percentage_of_recognized_Scientists_believes_in_Creation

therefore 93% of eminent scientists in the united states disagree with true origin dot org therefore rendering any and all articles from the website questionable at BEST and more likely just plain false.

[camshaftgsxr]

It is a convenient form of voluntary population control by otherwise healthy individuals. It's too bad more people aren't gay. The world would be less populated and everyone would dress nicer and have clean houses.

damn skippy

[joshh]

It is a convenient form of voluntary population control by otherwise healthy individuals. It's too bad more people aren't gay. The world would be less populated and everyone would dress nicer and have clean houses.

Speaking of population control....you'd be correct there except with you're version of it. More people would have died from Aids if more people were gay....till they came out with HIV meds. That's right spanky, gays led that charge.