Veganism: Is it morally wrong to eat/kill animals?

[streetwaves]

If there's not enough data on lifelong vegans and im not allowed to use anything with then in it, then you cannot use statistics using vegans either.

Jesus, no. You don't understand things. There is not enough data to suggest vegans live longer. I am saying that the longest-lived people we have data on are non-vegans. You're asserting vegans are longer-lived and yet there is no data to support this.

And either way those statistics are based solely on one type of heart disease, and still shows you that vegans and vegetarians have a much lower rate of contracting that than the meat eaters. So I don't even know why you're posting that.

Read quote again, use brain. Fish-eaters equal lacto-ovo vegetarians in their reduced risk. L-O vegetarians also best vegans' reduced risk. All three groups have reduced risk compared to likely "standard eaters", and all three groups have an inherent advantage in that they at more likely to be health-conscious than the general population. What the study also says is that I, as a pescatarian, am less likely to get heart disease than you, the vegan, are.

And where are you pulling all of these ideas about a 90% rice or lettuce diet? Is that all you think vegans eat? I'm confused.

Try eating some fish, those Omega 3s are good for cognition.
The point is eating too much or too little of any given food is unhealthy. Meat, rice, and lettuce are not inherently unhealthy foods. Eating them in the wrong amount is unhealthy.

And the make up was all vegan (no animal testing)

Like any of you have room to try and shame me. Lol

Huh?

Also, don't think I haven't noticed that every time you reply to me you're reduced to a much more passive, timid, and lazy version of yourself.

[nando]

Look at where 99.99999% of you get your meat from, too.

http://www.farmsanctuary.org/learn/factory-farming/

and, whoa, like taco bell totally has vegetables and rice and legumes like everywhere. grab literally anything on the menu without cheese, and you can substitute any of the meats for refried beans or black beans. so eating at taco bell =/= eating meat.

LOL. except all of that stuff is flavored with.. wait for it... Beef.

you're a douche. also, pretty sure most guys here could snap you in half like a twig. takes a pretty big man to be an ass behind a keyboard, huh? would you talk that way in person?

[s14pwd]

Honestly, my opinion is it is not wrong to eat animals, but the way we treat them is wrong and the ridiculous amount of meat that people eat is wrong. The animal is giving up its life so that you may continue to live, yet we just treat it as a serving, not thinking about it. That is wrong, anytime you eat meat you should always remember something that feels pain had to die and be respectful of that.

The second point is that meat should supplement a diet, not be composed of it. This results in "factories" to raise animals. All for what, taste? People should replace meat with substitutes like lentils and enjoy meat on a less regular basis. Its healthier for you, cheaper and better for the animals and environment.

My $0.02.

[squidmaster]

Hey squid, I actually have a legitimate comment/argument to make. Basic, simple, and to the point.

Does the amount of effort expended on your part to combat cruelty to animals dwarf your efforts expended to combat similar cruelty to humans? i.e. the crap going on in 3rd world countries, middle east, Africa, wherever people are oppressed, starving, suffering etc.

In short, humans who may be going through the same suffering that animals do. Do you care more for the animals?

Even shorter, shouldn't we be fighting for those humans as a priority over fighting for those animals?

There aren't mass concentration camps of humans still. Effort? There's no effort in being vegan, you just abstain from animal products. Its easy.

Are you fighting for those human rights? What about animal rights? Have you ever bought a diamond? What about anything made in a sweat shop in China? You can't abstain from everything but you can at least make a small difference.

Imbecile.

The onus is on you to prove that vegans are healthier and longer-living than the world's healthiest meat eaters. It's a well-known fact that diets higher in plant foods and lower in meat are healthiest. There is no reason to believe that a vegan diet is healthier than a well-balanced omnivorous diet.

It may very well be that meat is healthiest kept at 10% of your diet, but that doesn't mean meat is unhealthy. The fact that a diet comprised of 90% of rice, or 90% lettuce, or 90% almonds is unhealthy does not make those foods unhealthy; it means you're eating like an idiot.

The fact is, there is an extremely limited amount of information on the life expectancies of life-long vegans. So if you've just got some new information in, it's your job to share it with us and prove that vegans are the longest lived folks on Earth. For now, the reigning champions are a people that eat lots of vegetables and a little meat.

One of the most commonly cited reasons is that of health, based on findings that red meat is detrimental to health in many cases due to non-lean red meats containing high amounts of saturated fats.[2][3] Eating certain kinds of fish raises HDL levels,[4][5] and some fish are a convenient source of omega-3 fatty acids,[6] and have numerous health benefits in one food variety.[7] A 1999 meta-study of five studies comparing vegetarian and non-vegetarian mortality rates in Western countries found that in comparison with regular meat eaters, mortality from ischemic heart disease was 34% lower in pescetarians, 34% lower in ovo-lacto vegetarians, 26% lower in vegans and 20% lower in occasional meat eaters.[8]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479225

If there's not enough data on lifelong vegans and im not allowed to use anything with then in it, then you cannot use statistics using vegans either. And either way those statistics are based solely on one type of heart disease, and still shows you that vegans and vegetarians have a much lower rate of contracting that than the meat eaters. So I don't even know why you're posting that.

And where are you pulling all of these ideas about a 90% rice or lettuce diet? Is that all you think vegans eat? I'm confused.

And the make up was all vegan (no animal testing)

Like any of you have room to try and shame me. Lol

[streetwaves]

LOL

I know some vegans, they don't give a fuck that I eat meat. I met one the other week. She told me that to maintain my muscles she would never exspect me to not eat meat or I would be eating all fucking day. I like these types of vegans. The ones that understand and are hot.

Hahaha so shameless.

[Farbin Kaiber]

*tips hat. No problem my good sir.

[10Toes]

new avatar, thanks Farbin

[Farbin Kaiber]

[iamsam]

LOL

I know some vegans, they don't give a fuck that I eat meat. I met one the other week. She told me that to maintain my muscles she would never exspect me to not eat meat or I would be eating all fucking day. I like these types of vegans. The ones that understand and are hot.

pics of your muscles

[Thizzelle]

All the eyeliner squidmaster wears is probably tested on animals...

LOL

I know some vegans, they don't give a fuck that I eat meat. I met one the other week. She told me that to maintain my muscles she would never exspect me to not eat meat or I would be eating all fucking day. I like these types of vegans. The ones that understand and are hot.

[10Toes]

All the eyeliner squidmaster wears is probably tested on animals...

[iamsam]

Hey squid, I actually have a legitimate comment/argument to make. Basic, simple, and to the point.

Does the amount of effort expended on your part to combat cruelty to animals dwarf your efforts expended to combat similar cruelty to humans? i.e. the crap going on in 3rd world countries, middle east, Africa, wherever people are oppressed, starving, suffering etc.

In short, humans who may be going through the same suffering that animals do. Do you care more for the animals?

Even shorter, shouldn't we be fighting for those humans as a priority over fighting for those animals?

[slammin.e28]

I'm on page 4 btw. noob. ;)

I was about to say that squid has left, possibly ruptured brain stem, but hey! He's back! The fun can continue!

I like having many pages. Makes me feel important

[iamsam]

I'm on page 4 btw. noob. ;)

I was about to say that squid has left, possibly ruptured brain stem, but hey! He's back! The fun can continue!

[slammin.e28]

God damn this thread has gone on for 11 pages?

I ate another tasty burger today. My dog watched me, even though I frown upon that behavior. She approved, as did the cat in the chair next to me.