Let's talk about keeping the Highway Trust Fund solvent

[nando]

Nando

Unless your like enhorn and have the uber rare unicorn piss powered M3, or cooking up your own home brew bio fuels from old fryer grease, or have built a wood gasafier (sp??) and run your old taco on wood gas. The only main stream production cars that are not paying use taxes in most states are E/V's. The winds are changing on that in the last couple of years. If your buying any alternative fuels at a retail filling location then your paying the taxes.

Those guys that do run with odd ball fueling set ups when caught will get fined for using it just like if they had red dye fuel in their jetta. This is why there are procedures for tracking your fuel consumption and sending in a check for the appropriate use tax amounts to state and feds and keeping that proof in the rig with the unconventional fuel source.

Most people dont even know there is use taxes on their retail motor fuel, so when they switch to a "home made" unconventional fuel source they have no idea they are breaking the laws. In a lot of places cops and DOT have been really cracking down on diesel's that smell like french fries to get them for non road use dyed fuel. No log, no cancelled check no attempt to keep any such records, here have a wonderful fine errrr I mean day

er, I realize that. I was hypothesizing if they eliminated the gas tax and charged a tax based on mileage, people like me who often drive outside of the country would pay more than their fair share.

another issue along that same lines is people who come in from outside the country and put miles on our roads wouldn't pay any taxes. right now most of them are buying gas here so they are at least paying something for the use of our roads. I've never once bought gas in Canada though so they have the same issue I guess.

it's small potatoes in the grand scheme of things but it's never cut and dry.

the other option is to increase the gas tax significantly which would be fine with me. I'm sure I'll be paying $5 a gallon in the next couple years regardless.

[mrsleeve]

Right and those of us that dont write off lawn mower and weed whacker gas, or the few miles a year we spend off the road, doing property maintenance and so on covers the small percentage that are buying fuel in the Hat or basement and driving around here. I dont know why you buy fuel in the hat unless you had too, its far more costly ( TAXES!!!!!!! ) . Hence the boarder jumpers we all know and love coming down here buying fuel and going back over, thus fucking the hat's govt and helping our coffers out more. But yeah very small sack of taters compared to the whole....

[nando]

you can get 94-95 octane up there but it's like $8 a gallon. lol

[einhander]

So many nitwits.

The HTF is going insolvent.

Unless you want to jack up state and federal taxes on gasoline, it will continue to do so.

If you charge people for their use of roads on a mileage basis, then you can keep it funded.

Nando, if you drove your car outside the US, then you'd be exempt from that mileage. Why would you be taxed on it?

[Farbin Kaiber]

So many nitwits.

The HTF is going insolvent.

Unless you want to jack up state and federal taxes on gasoline, it will continue to do so.

If you charge people for their use of roads on a mileage basis, then you can keep it funded.

Nando, if you drove your car outside the US, then you'd be exempt from that mileage. Why would you be taxed on it?

If they had a DMV based ODO check once a year at registration, his ODO would have a bunch of cross border miles included in the ODO read.

[BraveUlysses]

ODO reading would be a horrible, horrible idea. you can + or - out the results easily by using wheels with smaller or larger rolling diameters than stock wheels.

[nando]

So many nitwits.

The HTF is going insolvent.

Unless you want to jack up state and federal taxes on gasoline, it will continue to do so.

If you charge people for their use of roads on a mileage basis, then you can keep it funded.

Nando, if you drove your car outside the US, then you'd be exempt from that mileage. Why would you be taxed on it?

how would you prove it without invasive tracking of everywhere you drive?

if you don't have to prove it then you open the door to tax cheats.

[Farbin Kaiber]

if you don't have to prove it then you open the door to tax cheats.

Thusly they have the bureau of standards or whatever state agency monitors the fuel pumps for accuracy and it's a system where the only way you get out of paying the taxes is by stealing gasoline/diesel. Pretty solid method if you ask me. Now if they wanted to decrease the regulations on gasoline refiners and then bump the state and federal tax rates, they would raise more money, and save money on redundant oversight agencies.

(not arguing with nando, speaking to the thread.)

[einhander]

It's still a discriminatory taxation regime. That and declining revenues demonstrate that taxing at the pump is a busted system.

Roads should be treated as utilities.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Due to Climate Change, oxygen should be treated as a utility.

/tjts1

[einhander]

One of the airline lounges at Taipei Taoyuan has an oxygen bar. It's free though.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I mean the natural stuff, not these synthetics. Likely made with broken down water.

[einhander]

You are correct. It's organic air.

You hippie.

[einhander]

Nando

Unless your like enhorn and have the uber rare unicorn piss powered M3, or cooking up your own home brew bio fuels from old fryer grease, or have built a wood gasafier (sp??) and run your old taco on wood gas. The only main stream production cars that are not paying use taxes in most states are E/V's. The winds are changing on that in the last couple of years. If your buying any alternative fuels at a retail filling location then your paying the taxes.

Those guys that do run with odd ball fueling set ups when caught will get fined for using it just like if they had red dye fuel in their jetta. This is why there are procedures for tracking your fuel consumption and sending in a check for the appropriate use tax amounts to state and feds and keeping that proof in the rig with the unconventional fuel source.

Most people dont even know there is use taxes on their retail motor fuel, so when they switch to a "home made" unconventional fuel source they have no idea they are breaking the laws. In a lot of places cops and DOT have been really cracking down on diesel's that smell like french fries to get them for non road use dyed fuel. No log, no cancelled check no attempt to keep any such records, here have a wonderful fine errrr I mean day

You honestly irritate me with your ability to miss points.

It's not tax collection that's the issue. It's a use versus revenue issue.

Mouthbreathers using homemade petrol isn't a big issue. It's the fact that for each subsequent model of car, tax revenues on fuel decreases. Since no one wants to raise taxes, those revenues will continue to decline.

Anyway, I'm going to the gym. You fatties.

[BraveUlysses]

decrease the regulations on gasoline refiners and then bump the state and federal tax rates, they would raise more money, and save money on redundant oversight agencies

Which agencies are redundant in this example? Why do we need to change the regulations for refineries?