No one needs 15 rounds

[profbooty]

If it takes you 30 rounds to stop an intruder, you're either a) completely blind or b) mentally handicapped. In either case, you shouldn't have a gun.

Bottom line is that hi-cap mags are not needed for self defense in any case, period.

There's usually exceptions when it comes to absoutes. I think your argument would be more persuasive if you said, "In many situtations, hi capacity magazines are not needed."

One the other hand:

For a single intruder, 30 rounds would be poor marksmanship. What about multiple intruders? The arguments against magazine size, reloading and accuracy are a bit less persusaive.

What if you are an older individual? A longer magazine is easier to load than a shorter one, as when the spring gets compressed more, it is more difficult to put in additional rounds (at least on a new magazine). It is possible to create a magazine with lower spring tension for such people, and perhaps they are on the market?

[BraveUlysses]

If it takes you 30 rounds to stop an intruder, you're either a) completely blind or b) mentally handicapped. In either case, you shouldn't have a gun.

Bottom line is that hi-cap mags are not needed for self defense in any case, period.

How many should it take, based on your extensive experience?

This is such a terrible argument because it all hinges on what *you* think is reasonable and not a determination based on anything meaningful.

Keep repeating your opinion over and over and misinterpreting everyone's posts, I'm sure you'll convince someone eventually

[Roysneon]

I respect the point(s) you're trying to make here, but you'll never get through to some people. I've learned to never discuss politics or religion with family or people I consider friends...doing so anonymously on the internet is even more worthless. Fight the good fight on a local level, make sure your representatives know your stance, introduce open minded individuals to the sport of responsible shooting and gun ownership and support local businesses that share your views and avoid those that don't. Unless of course you feel like arguing with people and going around in endless circles, then by all means.

I love shooting. I don't do it much, but I do enjoy it. I own guns as well. I don't think that a loaded, semi or full auto high cap weapon is a good idea at all. Since there are people who do, we need legislation that keeps people from doing stupid shit like that.

[CorvallisBMW]

Here's where your bullshit shows: A mass shooting is planned. A shooter can show up with 30 mags on his person easily. He's not materially inconvenienced by capacity limits.

Home defense isn't planned, at least not by the defender. It happens when some jackass breaks into your house. In extremis, in your pajamas, do you want a mag with 10 bullets or 30? I want 30.

If it takes you 30 rounds to stop an intruder, you're either a) completely blind or b) mentally handicapped. In either case, you shouldn't have a gun.

Bottom line is that hi-cap mags are not needed for self defense in any case, period.

[CorvallisBMW]

Yes. I believe you should be allowed to own an rpg.

What about a mentally ill felon on the terror watch list? Should they be able to own one?

[marshallnoise]

I respect the point(s) you're trying to make here, but you'll never get through to some people. I've learned to never discuss politics or religion with family or people I consider friends...doing so anonymously on the internet is even more worthless. Fight the good fight on a local level, make sure your representatives know your stance, introduce open minded individuals to the sport of responsible shooting and gun ownership and support local businesses that share your views and avoid those that don't. Unless of course you feel like arguing with people and going around in endless circles, then by all means.

You are right. As far as mindless entertainment, this is about as fun as it gets. Pun intended. Indeed it is a lot like casting pearls before swine.

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[ParsedOut]

It would be. History is fascinating.

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I respect the point(s) you're trying to make here, but you'll never get through to some people. I've learned to never discuss politics or religion with family or people I consider friends...doing so anonymously on the internet is even more worthless. Fight the good fight on a local level, make sure your representatives know your stance, introduce open minded individuals to the sport of responsible shooting and gun ownership and support local businesses that share your views and avoid those that don't. Unless of course you feel like arguing with people and going around in endless circles, then by all means.

[marshallnoise]

Here's where your bullshit shows: A mass shooting is planned. A shooter can show up with 30 mags on his person easily. He's not materially inconvenienced by capacity limits.

Home defense isn't planned, at least not by the defender. It happens when some jackass breaks into your house. In extremis, in your pajamas, do you want a mag with 10 bullets or 30? I want 30.

I would prefer a 50 round drum filled with 45 acp attached to a Thompson but the ATF made sure I couldn't get one of those.

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[The Dark Side of Will]

The only purpose that high-capacity magazines serve is to make offensive killing easier. Period. You can fire more rounds at more targets in a shorter period of time while showing yourself in a defenseless posture (i.e. reloading) less frequently. In other words, it makes killing lots of people in a short time period easier. It has nothing to do with defensive shooting and everything to do with offensive shooting.

Mass shootings committed with high-capacity magazines between 1984 and 2013: 36

Recorded instances of guns with high-capacity magazines being used in self defense during the same period: 0

http://nyagv.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/VPCshootinglistSM.pdf

The idea that a mass-murder is in no way "inconvenienced" by the lack of a hi-cap mag, but that a private citizen is, would be laughable if it weren't directly responsible for the deaths of so many innocent people. I've heard so many people say "Hi-cap mags aren't the issue. It takes 2 seconds to reload. Banning them won't change anything". OK, so why do you need them if it's as easy to reload as you say it is? If it takes them 2 seconds to reload, it takes you 2 seconds also. A high-cap mag can't be a boon for you and a bust for them simultaneously. If it's easy for them to reload, it's easy for you too. If a hi-cap mag makes it easier for you to shoot a large number of assailants, it makes it easier for them to shoot a large number of victims. You don't get to cherry-pick the upsides and downsides and them apply them in whatever fashion furthers your own zealotry.

Here's where your bullshit shows: A mass shooting is planned. A shooter can show up with 30 mags on his person easily. He's not materially inconvenienced by capacity limits.

Home defense isn't planned, at least not by the defender. It happens when some jackass breaks into your house. In extremis, in your pajamas, do you want a mag with 10 bullets or 30? I want 30.

[marshallnoise]

This is thoroughly entertaining.

It would be. History is fascinating.

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[Roysneon]

This is thoroughly entertaining.

[marshallnoise]

Should I be allowed to own an RPG?



Tyranny is still very real, but it's not like a 15 round magazine is going to defeat the US Army when they instill martial law............

I'm really curious why you guys seriously seem to get off on the idea that any of this would matter if the US gov't decided to turn the military on the people.

Yes. I believe you should be allowed to own an rpg.

It's not one person. It's 15% of the population ad individuals. That's what it took to defeat the British.

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[Vedubin01]

Should I be allowed to own an RPG?

Legally you can if you go though the right channels...

[z31maniac]

A gun with a severely restricted ammunition capacity, other than what was designed (like a revolver), renders the gun a blunt instrument and no longer a firearm built for its intended purpose. It is an infringement. All restrictions of how a gun operates is an infringement.

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Should I be allowed to own an RPG?

Read what our founders wrote in the federalist and anti federalist papers. What was common to them has become foreign to us today. They wrote the constitution in a very specific manner in a time where tyranny was very real.

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Tyranny is still very real, but it's not like a 15 round magazine is going to defeat the US Army when they instill martial law............

I'm really curious why you guys seriously seem to get off on the idea that any of this would matter if the US gov't decided to turn the military on the people.

[marshallnoise]

And since we have the most powerful and well-funded military in the world, by an order of magnitude, a well-regulated militia is hardly necessary for our security.

Read what our founders wrote in the federalist and anti federalist papers. What was common to them has become foreign to us today. They wrote the constitution in a very specific manner in a time where tyranny was very real.

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