Who agrees with Obama bringing in Muslim refugees?

[CorvallisBMW]

I think a lot of people in this thread should look at the different sects of Islam.

The biggest issue with Islam is the growth of Religious fundamentalism, and especially Saudi Arabias support of Wahhabism Islam. I think people on the other side of this argument act like most Muslims dont support Fundamentalist sects of Islam, when in fact they do.

From what I understand, The way Islam is transforming now would be as if Christians and Jews followed old testament laws again. The fix is Islam undergoing a similar transformation, becoming slightly more secular in a way you could say.

The best way to fix this situation is really to hope a coalition of middle eastern countries can change the view of Islam from a fundamentalist view to a more modern view. Including cutting off all support for Saudi Arabia and turkey. Peshmerga is a good example of a group going the right way.

On the refugees note, Its pretty hilarious how people keep pulling the wolf in sheeps clothing argument, that we are asking for tons of IS members by accepting refugees. There have already been a few thousand refugees accepted.

I agree. Saudi Arabia practices one of the most extreme and conservative forms of Islam, Wahhabism. It bans women from driving or from leaving the house without a male escort. It punishes a multitude of nonviolent crimes with summary execution via beheading (think drug possession, adultery, etc). They set up extremely conservative Madrasas (religious schools) around the world, training the next generation of extremists/terrorists. And they've taken exactly ZERO refugees from any of their neighboring, war-torn countries. I believe, through a combination of both actions and inactions, that they are helping to drive or at least sustain this growing movement of radical Islam throughout the world.

Turkey however is rather secular. It's in their constitution in fact. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that they are radical or extreme? Yes they are fighting the Kurds, but that is related entirely to territorial disputes going back nearly 100 years. It's not related to Islam/religion.

100% agree

Hey look, we're agree on something :)

[marshallnoise]

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-12-0...rshipers-local

I'd hate to be a moderate Muslim American.

Fucking shit like this is the opposite of helpful to making Islam a more moderate religion.

Ignorant Americans abusing their right to bear arms IMO, hopefully it doesn't go anything past threats and bothering. Although I wish it didn't even go there.

and to think people like Cruz are trying to paint a picture that Christians are persecuted in america... You dont see Muslims carrying firearms and patrolling churches, If you did they would get shot.

You have a very short memory.

If people were convinced that there wasn't a Wahhabist in every mosque, then they wouldn't be afraid of them. Now you say that the way Wahhabists become moderate is by presuming there aren't any.

Which way do you want it? Should radical Muslims stop being radical first? Or do radical Muslims stop being radical when the rest of the world presumes they are normal?

One makes sense, the other does not. Stop being aggressive, we will act accordingly.

[Wschnitz]

Why does it seem like you assume every Muslim is Wahhabist?

And who do you think is trying to convince ignorant people that all mosques are Radical Wahhabist centers? Couldn't be pro GOP Media and Politicians. Id understand if this mosque was in the news constantly for spouting hate speech and support of IS.

Link me all the news articles of this mosque being aggressive.


This whole situation has just turned into a way for racists and religious bigots to get attention they so desperately need.

[BraveUlysses]

Why does it seem like you assume every Muslim is Wahhabist?

And who do you think is trying to convince ignorant people that all mosques are Radical Wahhabist centers? Couldn't be pro GOP Media and Politicians. Id understand if this mosque was in the news constantly for spouting hate speech and support of IS.

Link me all the news articles of this mosque being aggressive.


This whole situation has just turned into a way for racists and religious bigots to get attention they so desperately need.

Yup. Just look at this shit

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/12/7533159/fox-news-pirro-rant

[marshallnoise]

Yup. Just look at this shit

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/12/7533159...ews-pirro-rant

And after watching the video and her reasoning, I agree with her.

Watch the fucking video, then comment.

[CorvallisBMW]

Yup. Just look at this shit

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/12/7533159...ews-pirro-rant

That lady is certifiable insane. "KILL KILL KILL, HATE THEM ALL, BOMB THEM OVER AND OVER AND OVER, DEATH TO MUSLIMS, OBAMAS FAULT ITS ALL HIS FAULT, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE"

"They've conquered us through Immigration", "They've conquered us through interfaith dialogue." Really? We've been conquered?

Then she goes on to say "Our forefathers fought to create a country that believes in freedom of religion", while actively calling for the extermination of an entire religion.

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to Fox News.

[marshallnoise]

That lady is certifiable insane. "KILL KILL KILL, HATE THEM ALL, BOMB THEM OVER AND OVER AND OVER, DEATH TO MUSLIMS, OBAMAS FAULT ITS ALL HIS FAULT, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE"

"They've conquered us through Immigration", "They've conquered us through interfaith dialogue." Really? We've been conquered?

Then she goes on to say "Our forefathers fought to create a country that believes in freedom of religion", while actively calling for the extermination of an entire religion.

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to Fox News.

You didn't watch it, did you? Well, you probably did but have a biased view from the outset.

Either way, anything wrong with asking moderate Muslims to handle the extremists themselves?

[Wschnitz]

"Muslim Brotherhood the mother of all terrorist organizations"

Lol. IIRC they only became that way post Egypt revolution.

"Pakistan at the top of the list"

Oh not Saudi Arabia our butt buddies who directly fund ISIS and support its ideals?

ISIS is a Hydra we created, if we go back and try to kill them, another will sprout up in their death.

"And in a time when we have never been in more danger, our President, is focused on free community college, on his continuing march to reduce the size of the military, and eviscerate our national security."

What. The. Fuck? You mean the military that is needlessly the size and cost of the next 26 countries combined? Surely splitting a few billion off the 600b budget wont cause the country to be flooded with ISIS extremists. This lady is preaching fear, says that "They" (inferring the left) are Ignoring everything and cowering in fear, while saying we are all in imminent danger? This is literally the same story that happened post 9/11.

"They have conquered us through Immigration"



"Our forefathers"

No comment, any sentence starting with this line is a joke now.

She directly supports religious bigotism with the way she speaks. We are not the fucking world police, stop trying to make it that way.

[CorvallisBMW]

You didn't watch it, did you? Well, you probably did but have a biased view from the outset.

Either way, anything wrong with asking moderate Muslims to handle the extremists themselves?

I watched every second of it. It was a disgusting, racist, hate-filled and bigoted rant that, as far as I'm concerned, borders on hate speech.

1/100th of what she said related to asking moderate Muslims to contribute to the efforts against extremism. The rest was literally verbal diarrhea.

[BraveUlysses]

I like the insinuation that anyone who didn't agree with the video simply didn't watch it.

never change, shitlord

[Wschnitz]

She literally just regurgitated as many synonym words as she could to make it sound intellectual. When it pretty much boils down to "Muslims are taking over our country cause Obama is a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles, and we need to go to war again cause it worked the last 5 times".

[nando]

war and killing is always the answer right?

[Wschnitz]

war and killing is always the answer right?

Its never bit us in the ass before right?

[CorvallisBMW]

Clearly the best way to defeat ISIS, the group whose goals and beliefs are to either convert or eradicate everyone they oppose, is to hold exactly the same goals and beliefs ourselves...

[marshallnoise]

I like the insinuation that anyone who didn't agree with the video simply didn't watch it.

never change, shitlord

I never said or implied that. Otherwise