Who agrees with Obama bringing in Muslim refugees?

[marshallnoise]

Clearly the best way to defeat ISIS, the group whose goals and beliefs are to either convert or eradicate everyone they oppose, is to hold exactly the same goals and beliefs ourselves...

Because being nice to people from the middle east and ISIS works so well. Same old shit from you guys: Let's just talk it out.

[Wschnitz]

Because being nice to people from the middle east and ISIS works so well. Same old shit from you guys: Let's just talk it out.

It does work, I swear you are a racist hiding behind the "religion isnt a race" argument.

The kurds have been best bros for years, I think the only reason we don't give them more support is turkey.

[nando]

Because being nice to people from the middle east and ISIS works so well. Same old shit from you guys: Let's just talk it out.

yeah, and invading Iraq was a fantastic fucking idea, right?

[marshallnoise]

It does work, I swear you are a racist hiding behind the "religion isnt a race" argument.

The kurds have been best bros for years, I think the only reason we don't give them more support is turkey.

The Kurds want independence and aren't blowing other people up except those who attack them; kind of sounds like my philosophy. :D

[marshallnoise]

yeah, and invading Iraq was a fantastic fucking idea, right?

Now nando, we weren't talking about Iraq, were we? We didn't have a radical Islam problem with Iraq; we had a dictatorship that went south that we felt we could do something about (right, wrong or indifferent).

I don't think we should have gone in to Iraq either for the record.

You fellas and your hyperbole.

[Wschnitz]

Iraq war created isis.

The only reason that POS of a war happened was because Saddam didn't want to be in our pocket anymore.

[marshallnoise]

Iraq war created isis.

The only reason that POS of a war happened was because Saddam didn't want to be in our pocket anymore.

Radicalization of Islam is hardly a new concept. Blaming the Iraq War for the creation of ISIS is really blaming the Iraq War for putting a name to a movement that already existed. The Muslim Brotherhood was in existence, so was Hamas, Al Qaeda, et al. There is no difference between any of them.

I believe the reasoning behind the Iraq War was part personal vendetta by W (various reasons for that) and really shitty intel. Rest assured, LEAVING once we started shit created the vacuum that we are dealing with now. That was the second great mistake in terms of the Iraq War in my opinion.

[nando]

Now nando, we weren't talking about Iraq, were we? We didn't have a radical Islam problem with Iraq; we had a dictatorship that went south that we felt we could do something about (right, wrong or indifferent).

I don't think we should have gone in to Iraq either for the record.

You fellas and your hyperbole.

really? what do you think the Taliban and Bin Laden were?

Also, we basically created ISIS as a result of our invasion of Iraq. I wouldn't call that hyperbole.

[marshallnoise]

really? what do you think the Taliban and Bin Laden were?

Afghanistan.

Also, we basically created ISIS as a result of our invasion of Iraq. I wouldn't call that hyperbole.

Answered in the post above.

[Wschnitz]

Oh please, if you don't see how the result of the Iraq War was ISIL and subsequently ISIS you are blind with ignorance.

It wasn't putting a name to a movement, we created a power vacuum, and didn't fill it on the way out. Which formed a movement taking the ideals of previous radical Islamist groups and putting them to practice.

And I put IS on a whole new category compared to Taliban, Hamas, Mujaheddin, Hezbollah. If you hadn't noticed, those groups are all fighting IS on occasions too, even thought they are radical themselves, instead of joining it. These groups are all radical, but they usually don't mass rape and mutilate their own people.

[nando]

Afghanistan.

they are religious extremists - no different than ISIS or people who shoot up Planned Parenthood clinics.

[marshallnoise]

Oh please, if you don't see how the result of the Iraq War was ISIL and subsequently ISIS you are blind with ignorance.

It wasn't putting a name to a movement, we created a power vacuum, and didn't fill it on the way out. Which formed a movement taking the ideals of previous radical Islamist groups and putting them to practice.

And I put IS on a whole new category compared to Taliban, Hamas, Mujaheddin, Hezbollah. If you hadn't noticed, those groups are all fighting IS on occasions too, even thought they are radical themselves, instead of joining it. These groups are all radical, but they usually don't mass rape and mutilate their own people.

I didn't say that IS wasn't a result of the Iraq War but to say that the movement is novel...hardly.

And yes, the terrorist organizations are all vying for power. A monopoly on terror if you will. Consider it the primary for the election on who gets to be the terrorist organization that gets to take the top honors.

[marshallnoise]

they are religious extremists - no different than ISIS or people who shoot up Planned Parenthood clinics.

More hyperbole.

[Wschnitz]

So a crazy Christian man shooting up a Planned Parenthood clinic isnt a terrorist? Thats an exaggeration to you? The way you use Hyperbole nearly all of your statements should be labeled as so.

This is hilarious.

[nando]

How is it hyperbole? Are people who murder in the name of religion not extremists? Im not sure you know the meaning of the word.