Trump Thread 2.0

[nando]

I'm sure pretending "everything is fine" will help Trump get re-elected as thousands of people die:

"Coronavirus data has already disappeared after Trump administration shifted control from CDC"

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/16/us-coronavirus-data-has-already-disappeared-after-trump-administration-shifted-control-from-cdc-to-hhs.html

[nando]

I would if I didn't have my own wife and kids in the line of fire.

[LowR3V'in]

just ride it out. ride this puppy out.

[nando]

You can't even make this shit up - "'Science should not stand in the way' of schools reopening, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany says"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/5454168002/

This level of incompetence is embarrassing.

[phillipj]

No, its not the same thing, even a little. Corporations are not tyrannies. I disagree with shareholder motivations on reporting news, but that is not me admitting that I agree that corporations are tyrranies. That is insane thinking and only used to justify the tearing down of the entire system. Label something a tyrant, and you get to kill it. The label is what counts with "thinkers" like you and Noam.

He's not contending all corporations are tyrannies, of course. Just positing the idea that some corporations do in fact act that way in our wild-west system. I'd guess you'd have to read a ton more of what he says on that subject, instead of just being absolutist about this one quote you looked up.

Let's also talk about absolutism. I notice it here a lot. What's with the all-or-nothing, black-or-white thinking? You're occasionally criticizing me of non-nuanced thought; I apologize if I am not communicating that clearly enough, but we need more nuanced thought here!

First off, I never said its the best its ever been. I said it is the best nation to have ever existed, period. We have our problems to be sure, but being black in America, for instance, is not a death sentence. That's a lie. You do not seem capable of nuanced thought.

"this country is the best that's ever been"

Well, huh, ok I took that as "this country is the best that it's ever been". My bad. I guess you have certain reasons to feel so strongly like that, I respect that. How do we really measure a nation? I personally don't believe in this "American Exceptionalism" myth. It makes people here feel really good, though.

You are full of shit with this contention.

^ Eh. Trump coordinates with Fox News and other conservative media outlets. There's also a revolving hiring door between them and the White House. Just pointing it out.

Once again, I am not talking about term limits, I am talking about service limits of individuals in government. Far more wide and reaching than simple term limits. And are you giving Bernie a blowie for that kudo you think he deserves? Who is talking about what I am talking about? No one.

Ok, gotcha. Service limits. I misunderstood. I could get on board with that. But let's say, for example, someone seems to have done quite a decent job as a Mayor, or Governor. Proven themself. But now they basically ran out their "service limit." Should they be barred from running for President or Senator, etc? That's at least debatable. I don't think it's a bad idea, though. It might help curb cronyism or corruption in the current system, but the current system has to change as it is.

And you are 100% right, I don't hear too many people talking about "service limits" -- least of all Politicians for god sakes! I do applaud anyone who's talking about real campaign finance reform, because I believe that's they key to everything. Take the money out of politics. Can we not agree on that?

Fox's Roger Ailes passed Trump debate Questions

Unsubstantiated claim 101. My claim was 100% verified while you are just saying what feels good to yourself.

Ailes tipped off Trump.

Bernie Sanders is a life long hack, terrible human being who wants power for himself and no one else. I am not snowed by Donald J. Trump. I know he loves power just the same as Bernie, but I am not naive enough to think that DJT only wants what's best for me. But I do know for a fact that his record has shown he is NOT a tyrant and not after "fundamentally changing America" like Biden and Bernie and Hillary and Obama want to do.

I cannot believe how gullible you are. I really hope you find a proctologist soon.

Sanders is an upstanding human. If "he wants power for himself and no one else" he sure has a bizarre way of going about it. How can you really say that he is a "Terrible Human Being?" Really? How do you figure? Listening to Right-Wing radio is driving you crazy!

The false equivalencies like "Trump loves power just the same as Bernie" are laughable. I'd also say that Trump's actions, words and record scream "tyrant". Where are these "facts" you are talking about that say otherwise? I'm super curious to know about this mysterious Mr. Trump the equitable Humanitarian I don't seem to know about!

[phillipj]

Who cares. Bernie isn't running for election. Talk about a straw man argument..

Ha. Exactly! x1000

Hey, in the "Trump Thread" let's divert any Trump criticism topics over to "Systemic racism doesn't exist!!" ... "BLM is a joke!!" ... "Bernie Sanders is a Socialist!!"

[cale]

and it wasn't until Trump came along that black unemployment actually showed a historic decline.

Right, except it's been on a steady decline for the past decade with no change in trajectory either down or up since Trump took office. *golfclap*

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000031

wow cale, your ignorance is astounding. you seem smart, but ignore history.

You've never been good at interpreting facts or graphs, rich given I thought you were/are an engineer. Suggesting other people ignore history when you yourself are making it up is hil-fucking-arious.

[marshallnoise]

Sounds like it's time to close this thread.

I dunno man. We need to be shouting at each other. Its how ideas get kicked about and proven good or bad. Its ugly, but freedom is ugly sometimes.

[marshallnoise]

You're missing the point. I don't care about Bernie Sanders and was never arguing about him. I was only saying that whether he is a Democratic Socialist or not (I would say he is), is completely irrelevant because the race is between Biden and Trump, not Sanders and Trump.

No, I am not missing the point. People leveled the absurd notion that he was not a socialist and you simply tried to sweep it under the rug as irrelevant. That was what was being discussed at that moment, you could have chosen to not participate but instead you dismissed it as irrelevant. That's why you are called out for it.

lol, triggered. What do you think I mean? You live and breathe the lies of the president. He lies so obviously and often it's hardly even news anymore. Not a tyrant? haha. No, but he really wishes he could be, like his best friends Kim Jong Un and Putin. King Trump for president!

I don't live and breathe his "lies." What lies? Its not obvious to half the population that he is lying constantly. Dismissing half the population of this country is a serious mistake. Just maybe, they have different thoughts from you and what you perceive as lies.

If he refuses to leave office if he loses the election, I will be rallying to get him out of there. I want the system to work and will support only a peaceful transition should one need to occur.

The real problem is that those of you on the left do not want the system to work because you believe the system is corrupt and evil and therefore should be torn down. We cannot have conversations about fixing the system with people who do not believe that our system should even be in place. We are literally in a cold civil war right now and I fear it might get warm really quick.

[gwb72tii]

Looking at the outcome and thinking that lets you understand the causes is cute. Spew a few stereotypes that you think are sticking points while ignoring generations of inequality founded on institutionalized racism, literal regulation that said black man =/= white man.

You're grossly ignorant to history.

wow cale, your ignorance is astounding. you seem smart, but ignore history.
the USA has spent 15 trillion f++ing dollars trying to stamp out poverty for the last 60 years through giveaways, enhanced benefits, and racial quotas for jobs and schools. and it wasn't until Trump came along that black unemployment actually showed a historic decline.
you don't end poverty and inequality, which is a political term and buzzword, with government programs paying unwed mothers more money for more babies, and more money to remain unemployed.
you'll never fix the problems until all people are held personally responsible for their behavior.

[nando]

You are and have always been one of the "you guys." You seem to think that you can skirt your participation in the very obvious contention that Bernie is a Socialist simply by saying he is not relevant. Note, if you had some honesty (and balls), you would say "Yeah, he is a socialist, completely, but since he is not up for election, its a moot point." Instead, you just skirt the discussion and then tell everyone they are nuts for even talking about Bernie when there are cohorts of yours somehow implying that he is not a socialist.

What does "being cuckolded by the Trump administration's constant stream of lies" actually mean? You mean because I am not afraid of the bad orange man that I am some type of sycophant? Go fuck yourself you fucking fuck. Blow me.

You're missing the point. I don't care about Bernie Sanders and was never arguing about him. I was only saying that whether he is a Democratic Socialist or not (I would say he is), is completely irrelevant because the race is between Biden and Trump, not Sanders and Trump.

lol, triggered. What do you think I mean? You live and breathe the lies of the president. He lies so obviously and often it's hardly even news anymore. Not a tyrant? haha. No, but he really wishes he could be, like his best friends Kim Jong Un and Putin. King Trump for president!

[roguetoaster]

Sounds like it's time to close this thread.

[marshallnoise]

That is such an accurate comment! Great commentary. And one you seem to agree with! Powerful interests and corporations control the big mainstream news, or they are corporations themselves, and manipulate it for their bottom-line and vested interests. Anyone reading this here is going to agree. But certainly speak out if you don't!

No, its not the same thing, even a little. Corporations are not tyrannies. I disagree with shareholder motivations on reporting news, but that is not me admitting that I agree that corporations are tyrranies. That is insane thinking and only used to justify the tearing down of the entire system. Label something a tyrant, and you get to kill it. The label is what counts with "thinkers" like you and Noam.

And, No!! The Country is not "the best it's ever been." How do you figure that? The country has never been so unequal. There has never been so many people incarcerated. The country has never been in so much debt, whether we are talking the government, or numbers of individuals. There's never been so many people bankrupted because they couldn't afford their medical bills! The country is probably more divided and polarized than ever before. Lifespan in this country is going down and infant mortality and those living below the poverty line is going up. The homeless population around me has gone up 20% in the past year, when I drive to work I often wonder if that person lying over there is dead on the sidewalk. Job quality is overall worse. Job availability is definitely worse. Pay has more or less flat-lined for decades!

First off, I never said its the best its ever been. I said it is the best nation to have ever existed, period. We have our problems to be sure, but being black in America, for instance, is not a death sentence. That's a lie. You do not seem capable of nuanced thought.

Trump works closer and in tandem with Fox News specifically and other conservative news outlets -- OAN for example -- more than any other President in this country's history. He also gives these very manipulative, spun sources legitimacy they do not deserve on the largest most powerful platform available. Needs to be acknowledged.

You are full of shit with this contention. That's fine. Having free speech also means I know you are crazy by the insane shit you say.

Term limits, ok! But some way, any way, to curb lobbying and campaign finance should be #1; but let's notice who are the only people talking about that seriously? Can you name someone? Hm. I can.

Once again, I am not talking about term limits, I am talking about service limits of individuals in government. Far more wide and reaching than simple term limits. And are you giving Bernie a blowie for that kudo you think he deserves? Who is talking about what I am talking about? No one.

Oh I do, and it wasn't fair. And guess what?! Fox head Roger Ailes tipped off his buddy Trump on questions before his Presidential debate, too. I do not care for any of these people. Roger Ailes. Trump. Donna Brazille. Clinton. They deserve each other.

Unsubstantiated claim 101. My claim was 100% verified while you are just saying what feels good to yourself.

And, I very much do believe Bernie Sanders cares about real, everyday people. How do I know? I met him myself. He is a good man.

Bernie Sanders is a life long hack, terrible human being who wants power for himself and no one else. I am not snowed by Donald J. Trump. I know he loves power just the same as Bernie, but I am not naive enough to think that DJT only wants what's best for me. But I do know for a fact that his record has shown he is NOT a tyrant and not after "fundamentally changing America" like Biden and Bernie and Hillary and Obama want to do.

I cannot believe how gullible you are. I really hope you find a proctologist soon.

[marshallnoise]

"you guys" - who?

You're assigning beliefs to me that I don't hold. I was never arguing about Bernie Sanders or what he believes in. I don't care about that argument at all (or about Sanders for that matter) - it's completely pointless, he isn't running for president. You're trying to take his beliefs and pin it on anyone that seems even slightly left of you (which is probably most of the population).

It's also hilarious to hear you talk about "truth" while you're simultaneously being cuckolded by the Trump administration's constant stream of lies. Don't forget to swallow.

You are and have always been one of the "you guys." You seem to think that you can skirt your participation in the very obvious contention that Bernie is a Socialist simply by saying he is not relevant. Note, if you had some honesty (and balls), you would say "Yeah, he is a socialist, completely, but since he is not up for election, its a moot point." Instead, you just skirt the discussion and then tell everyone they are nuts for even talking about Bernie when there are cohorts of yours somehow implying that he is not a socialist.

What does "being cuckolded by the Trump administration's constant stream of lies" actually mean? You mean because I am not afraid of the bad orange man that I am some type of sycophant? Go fuck yourself you fucking fuck. Blow me.

[nando]

"you guys" - who?

You're assigning beliefs to me that I don't hold. I was never arguing about Bernie Sanders or what he believes in. I don't care about that argument at all (or about Sanders for that matter) - it's completely pointless, he isn't running for president. You're trying to take his beliefs and pin it on anyone that seems even slightly left of you (which is probably most of the population).

It's also hilarious to hear you talk about "truth" while you're simultaneously being cuckolded by the Trump administration's constant stream of lies. Don't forget to swallow.