Trump Thread 2.0

[kronus]

The point is, I am not able to stop transmitting a virus to someone else.

yes you are

If they get it and they get sick and they die...it would suck.

in addition to sucking it would be criminally negligent

But I couldn't ever be responsible for their death and neither would you.

yes you would

The problem is that this cannot be avoided

yes it can

and people seem to think that if you just hunker down in place forever, it will go away.

that is exactly how you make it go away

That's simply not how it works.

yes it is

[CarpHunter]

Marshal, I'm curious, and not looking to fight here. But I have to ask, if 150+ thousand dead americans isn't cause to say this administration dropped the ball, how many is? At what death toll would you start to question things?

The fact is america is doing the worst globally. That's not a dig at the current administration, that's just a sad fact. When comparing nations for this, it's not about population numbers. It's about population density. The denser the population, the higher the chances of infection. On that metric, the u.s. has one of the lowest population densities in the world. As of 2019, it ranked #174 globally, whereas say south korea, which ranks #23.

Do I personally think another administration would of handled this better? Yes, without question. I compare this by how various administrations globally have handled it so far. In countries like south korea, new Zealand, germany, where administrations listened to doctors and were proactive, they are beating it and returning to a new normal. In countries like america, Brazil, Turkey, where administrations have ignored medical science and instead downplayed or worse, called it a hoax, are doing worse. Reclosing, explosive case numbers, failing economy.

So I just don't understand when you say there was nothing more or different "trump" could do. Because factually there is. He could do what nations that are beating this have done and are doing.

[nando]

The death rate is probably low because kids haven't been exposed so they haven't gotten it as much. Plus we have no idea what the long term side effects could be, for anyone much less children. It could be nothing, or it could be debilitating. At my age, it would suck but wouldn't be as big of a deal if I had issues long term. But when you're 8 or 9? That's very different.

I hope your mom does OK. Hopefully she wasn't near them for long enough to have been infected. Ironically, my mom died last year of a heart attack - so I don't have to worry about it at least. :|

[phillipj]

Children have definitely died from CV-19, although deaths and severity is relatively low. But it does happen.

My Mom was out recently for a walk in their Chicago-area neighborhood and stopped at the neighbor kids lemonade stand on their street. She got a lemonade and some cookies in an effort to be nice to the little girls. Now why on earth the neighbors thought their daughters running a lemonade stand during a pandemic was a good idea, I don't know. TLDR: My mom has been quarantining and just got tested because she got a call a day later from that girl's Mom that Jenny had come down with CV. Apparently got it from a Summer camp where she had just came back from.

So kids can get CV too and pass it along! And just because most do not get sick or die so easily doesn't mean they can't pass it along to my 72 year old mother or father or your parents that may be way more likely to get super sick or even die.

[decay]

Whatever dude. Correlation does not equal causation. Not exercising at all for 8 weeks will put you out of shape, you KNOW this. My guess is that being cooped up has merely gotten you out of shape. Sleep apnea is highly related to being overweight and age (even a little bit as fat in your throat closes up the airways). Assigning your personal maladies to Covid without a doctor specifically telling you it is related to Covid is just your brain being damaged.

i said i wasn't hospitalized. i did not say i didn't see a doctor. god damn, explaining simple logic to you is really getting old.

you're not a doctor and i haven't told you of the rest of the symptoms i experienced. they're really not your business. do you think i can't PT myself in my apartment, idiot? there's plenty of room on the floor to do pushups and situps.

i'm 6'3", about 175. does that sound overweight to you? fucking seriously dude. you are so far out of your lane and couldn't be any better an example of an undereducated drumpf supporter thinking you're an epidemiologist because you watched some youtube videos and cherry-picked a couple news articles.

[nando]

Being infected does not mean death, idiot. I never said kids don't get it, I said they don't die from it. LEARN TO FUCKING READ.

Since we are talking about hoping someone doesn't have kids or not, your fatal ignorance puts your kids in danger. Someone call CPS on nando, please.

lol. yes, children do, and have died. I could post links but what's the point? You can continue to live in your alternate reality if you want to, but please, stay far, far away from me and my family.

Oh look, more threats! Trust me, my kids are fine and will be far safer than yours, if you have any, which by the way you talk, I really doubt. Who wants to be around somebody who doesn't care if their friends or family get sick and die? "it is what it is" - Donald Trump, August 2020.

[marshallnoise]

i caught it. didn't have to be hospitalized but life sucked a lot for about 8 weeks and now i have respiratory issues that may be permanent. i used to work out by urban-hiking in the hills around my house, wearing my body armor and the duffel bag i use for laundry, and now i get out of breath coming back up the hill from a 300m trip to the corner store for essentials. i have sleep apnea now too, and i can't tell you how fucking great it is waking up short of breath and unable to fall back asleep every night.

yeah. the shit's real, and you don't want it, even if you do live.

Whatever dude. Correlation does not equal causation. Not exercising at all for 8 weeks will put you out of shape, you KNOW this. My guess is that being cooped up has merely gotten you out of shape. Sleep apnea is highly related to being overweight and age (even a little bit as fat in your throat closes up the airways). Assigning your personal maladies to Covid without a doctor specifically telling you it is related to Covid is just your brain being damaged.

[marshallnoise]

lol. He cites a study from Canada, which actually responded effectively, has had far, far fewer cases per capita, and has a much smaller population. Meanwhile, a bunch of idiots in Georgia sent their kids to camp and 260 kids and staff were infected. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm

Let's put it this way - all of BC has had 1/3rd of the cases of my little backwater county, despite having a population an order of magnitude bigger, and actually most of their economy is already opened - something we're far, far away from.

Also, yeah, kids didn't get it - because we closed the schools before they had a chance to. There have been several kids in the US who have died and many thousands have gotten sick, usually at camps (like the one in Georgia) and several on the very first day schools were opened.

Yeah, psychopath is right. I hope he doesn't have kids.

Being infected does not mean death, idiot. I never said kids don't get it, I said they don't die from it. LEARN TO FUCKING READ.

Since we are talking about hoping someone doesn't have kids or not, your fatal ignorance puts your kids in danger. Someone call CPS on nando, please.

[marshallnoise]

I don't need statistics when it has affect my family, my friends etc. When it can be avoided, why not lessen the risk, though? You might not "give a shit" behind a keyboard on a car enthusiast forum, but you mean to say that if you found you gave it to that family member since you were asymptomatic, you wouldn't feel the least bit responsible?

I don't consider myself "old" being mid 40's, but a friend succumbed to it, my age and in excellent health. Handful of friends have gotten it, some had mild symptoms, others had to be on a ventilator. In the last few months, covid has become ~8% of all deaths for for my age bracket, and the year is only half over: So, while you can promote the auto accident thing, but last year 38,000 died in fatal car accidents, how many Americans died of covid in April alone? Oh yeah, 58k.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863

https://www.nsc.org/road-safety/safe...lity-estimates

While, sure, going crazy over it won't fix it, but neither will ignoring it.

I have never advocated that we should do nothing, but pretending that you can stop a virus like this from being transmitted is a fools errand.

Medical errors kill 250,000 people a year.

The point is, I am not able to stop transmitting a virus to someone else. If they get it and they get sick and they die...it would suck. But I couldn't ever be responsible for their death and neither would you. The problem is that this cannot be avoided and people seem to think that if you just hunker down in place forever, it will go away. That's simply not how it works.

[decay]

I don't consider myself "old" being mid 40's, but a friend succumbed to it, my age and in excellent health. Handful of friends have gotten it, some had mild symptoms, others had to be on a ventilator.

i caught it. didn't have to be hospitalized but life sucked a lot for about 8 weeks and now i have respiratory issues that may be permanent. i used to work out by urban-hiking in the hills around my house, wearing my body armor and the duffel bag i use for laundry, and now i get out of breath coming back up the hill from a 300m trip to the corner store for essentials. i have sleep apnea now too, and i can't tell you how fucking great it is waking up short of breath and unable to fall back asleep every night.

yeah. the shit's real, and you don't want it, even if you do live.

[marshallnoise]

but i'm the psychopath

Cause you know...having irrational fear about the coronavirus and dismissing an emotional appeal to destroying what stats actually show means that I am a psychopath...but advocating for the murder of cops doesn't.

Ohhhhhkaaaayyyy!

You can accuse me of being cold, but that's quite alright. Being rational almost requires it. You would think your amazing Army training would have cemented that into your brain since that's how you ARE trained to deal with problems.

In fact, I am surprised you rely on any of that western/capitalist/racist training since its invalid morally to you.

[ForcedFirebird]

I supplied him with articles which cite studies that 'Rona doesn't kill kids.

As above, I refuse to let irrationality drive me to fear.

Using your logic, I would never get in a car and drive anywhere because more people die by cars than they do by cops or black scary guns. This virus is deadly...to old people and those with severe health complications. It is not deadly to anyone else. The stats prove that. So why live in fear?

Death is part of life and I will fear things that statistically I should fear. Coronavirus is not one of them. And who gives a shit about if someone close to me died from it or not...that doesn't trump statistics.

I don't need statistics when it has affect my family, my friends etc. When it can be avoided, why not lessen the risk, though? You might not "give a shit" behind a keyboard on a car enthusiast forum, but you mean to say that if you found you gave it to that family member since you were asymptomatic, you wouldn't feel the least bit responsible?

I don't consider myself "old" being mid 40's, but a friend succumbed to it, my age and in excellent health. Handful of friends have gotten it, some had mild symptoms, others had to be on a ventilator. In the last few months, covid has become ~8% of all deaths for for my age bracket, and the year is only half over: So, while you can promote the auto accident thing, but last year 38,000 died in fatal car accidents, how many Americans died of covid in April alone? Oh yeah, 58k.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863

https://www.nsc.org/road-safety/safe...lity-estimates

While, sure, going crazy over it won't fix it, but neither will ignoring it.

[nando]

lol. He cites a study from Canada, which actually responded effectively, has had far, far fewer cases per capita, and has a much smaller population. Meanwhile, a bunch of idiots in Georgia sent their kids to camp and 260 kids and staff were infected. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm

Let's put it this way - all of BC has had 1/3rd of the cases of my little backwater county, despite having a population an order of magnitude bigger, and actually most of their economy is already opened - something we're far, far away from.

Also, yeah, kids didn't get it - because we closed the schools before they had a chance to. There have been several kids in the US who have died and many thousands have gotten sick, usually at camps (like the one in Georgia) and several on the very first day schools were opened.

Yeah, psychopath is right. I hope he doesn't have kids.

[decay]

And who gives a shit about if someone close to me died from it or not...that doesn't trump statistics.

but i'm the psychopath

[marshallnoise]

Verified statistics? I am guessing you haven't had a loved one with covid complications yet.

I supplied him with articles which cite studies that 'Rona doesn't kill kids.

As above, I refuse to let irrationality drive me to fear.

Using your logic, I would never get in a car and drive anywhere because more people die by cars than they do by cops or black scary guns. This virus is deadly...to old people and those with severe health complications. It is not deadly to anyone else. The stats prove that. So why live in fear?

Death is part of life and I will fear things that statistically I should fear. Coronavirus is not one of them. And who gives a shit about if someone close to me died from it or not...that doesn't trump statistics.