Let’s talk about Antifa.

[cale]

Godwin's Law doesn't apply here. that is about an internet argument ultimately ending in a comparison of the person on the other end to hitler or the nazis, appropos of nothing. we were already on that subject, and i'm not calling *you* a nazi or white supremacist, so, sorry, but your fallback argument has failed.

Bullshit. The entire purpose to calling them concentration camps is to evoke an emotional response to them, to expose them as tragic. They are much more similar in function to your average jail, why refer to them as Nazi death camps?

[decay]

Why are you incapable of discussing something without resorting to insults?

You constantly attack everyone who doesn't agree with you. I have an idea why, but I wont go there.

what discussion am i supposed to have when the response is a single emoji? not being given a lot to go on there

if that's the extent to which burgundy can express themselves, i'm gonna ridicule them for it and tell them to get the fuck out of my thread until they can germinate a thought that can be expressed in actual words

you, at least, are giving me something to respond to

#sorrynotsorry

[decay]

Once again you resort to Godwin's Law

Godwin's Law doesn't apply here. that is about an internet argument ultimately ending in a comparison of the person on the other end to hitler or the nazis, appropos of nothing. we were already on that subject, and i'm not calling *you* a nazi or white supremacist, so, sorry, but your fallback argument has failed.

[decay]

Is the United States of America, seeking out a particular race or ethnicity, which already resides in the country, and exterminating them?

Oh that's right, that's not even close to what's happening.

all of you, please return to the part where i noted how the actual nazis didn't go straight from zero to auschwitz

you don't throw a lobster straight into a boiling pot; you drop it into sea temperature and raise the heat slowly

[cale]

institutionalized sexual abuse and illness leading to death doesn't sound like a concentration camp to you?

Once again you resort to Godwin's Law and the exaggeration of events to validate your opinions. No, it sounds nothing like a concentration camp to me.

“The simplest way to say this is that about 100,000 people die each year from infections we give them in the hospital,” says Dr. Peter Pronovost, director of the Quality and Safety Research Group at Johns Hopkins University. “That’s enormous.”The math, he says, is pretty gruesome. Take the two most deadly types of infections hospitals give their patients: infections from ventilators and infections from catheters. Together, those kill 65,000 people a year. There are about 5,000 hospitals in the United States, so statistically, each hospital in the United States gives these deadly infections to one patient every month.

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/14/the-gruesome-math-of-hospital-infections/

It is nothing short of an certainty that a 2400 person facility will result in illnesses. When you combine vulnerable populations such as children and the elderly, serious cases are an inevitability. It's awful yes, but it's nothing close to the target incarceration and killing of children.

[z31maniac]

i swear i'm going to make a browser extension where i can replace people's user titles with things like "retard who can only express in meme or emote"

there's an actual discussion happening here. participate like an adult or fuck off, boy

Why are you incapable of discussing something without resorting to insults?

You constantly attack everyone who doesn't agree with you. I have an idea why, but I wont go there.

[z31maniac]

No one thinks sexual abuse is ok, well maybe Catholics.

But yet again, you're desire to try to be on a higher moral plane misses the mark.

Is the United States of America, seeking out a particular race or ethnicity, which already resides in the country, and exterminating them?

Oh that's right, that's not even close to what's happening.

And yet you try to lecture myself and others about "intellectual integrity."

Stop huffing the nail polish bromontana.

[decay]

I don't think we have anything remotely resembling a Nazi concentration camp anywhere here in the USA.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention/ice-detention-center-says-its-not-responsible

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/28/u...h-lawsuit.html

institutionalized sexual abuse and illness leading to death doesn't sound like a concentration camp to you?

reiterating for emphasis that this has happened before on our own soil.

[E30 Wagen]

we have concentration camps *now*, and not for the first time. currently we call them "detention centers", before that it was "japanese internment". i'm not waiting for the mass graves.

I don't think we have anything remotely resembling a Nazi concentration camp anywhere here in the USA.

[decay]

i swear i'm going to make a browser extension where i can replace people's user titles with things like "retard who can only express in meme or emote"

there's an actual discussion happening here. participate like an adult or fuck off, boy

[MrBurgundy]

we have concentration camps *now*, we just call them "detention centers". i'm not waiting for the mass graves.

[decay]

^ Powerful words. Well said.

i don't disagree. having hashed this out, the only place cale and i seem to differ is at what stage in the process of the fruition of fascism that a citizen should start to do something about it.

we have concentration camps *now*, and not for the first time. currently we call them "detention centers", before that it was "japanese internment". i'm not waiting for the mass graves.

[Exodus_2pt0]

^ Powerful words. Well said.

[cale]

#1: keyword there, took. Hitler literally erased the opposition by changing the structure of governance with the Enabling Act. Trump nor anyone else would successfully change the US into a dictatorship. There will be civil war long before that occurs. You and Sleeve will be battle buddies before either of you let that shit happen I suspect.

#2: I don't believe they result in the same outcome. Given large enough numbers neo-nazis would literally pick up where the Germans left off before their defeat. Proud boys would likely adopt what would be considered extreme policies, but gasing women and children wouldn't make it onto the to-do list.

Let's stop downplaying what it meant to be a Nazi.

[decay]

It's still not nazism, therefore it's not neo-nazism. My beliefs do not align with theirs in the least, but from observing them from a distance a reasonable individual will conclude they're assholes, but not calling for the same actions the Nazi's did anywhere in the 30/40's.

counterpoint 1: the actual nazis did not go straight to "gas chambers at auschwitz" when hitler took office. it took a lot of sentiment-building to get a country to a place where eventually that was considered socially acceptable by the majority of the populace. i think history has shown us it's best to nip that shit in the bud before it takes root in positions of political power.

counterpoint 2: your analysis shows that the proud boys' rebranding of white supremacy / neo-nazi propaganda is at least successful some of the time. if two ideologies result in the same outcome, i don't really care if they call themselves different names.