Let’s talk about Antifa.

[TimeMachinE30]

I like that this is all out on the internet, a decay manifesto. Looks to be good fodder and even better evidence.

[cale]

and as far as cowardice goes, you judge Willem Van Spronsen (the 69-year-old who died assaulting a concentration camp) for his intent, if you disagree with it. i'll judge him for his tactics, but they only suck if he intended to come out alive, and i suspect he might not have. but he died fighting. cowards don't go out like that.

So you dont disagree with the intent of fire bombing? Interesting.

[myinfernalbmw]

and as far as cowardice goes, you judge Willem Van Spronsen (the 69-year-old who died assaulting a concentration camp) for his intent, if you disagree with it. i'll judge him for his tactics, but they only suck if he intended to come out alive, and i suspect he might not have. but he died fighting. cowards don't go out like that.

I fail to see the correlation between suicide by police and bravery.

[decay]

i can't say i know the answer to your question, but i think it may be more accurately phrased as "why is shit going down there first?"

possible factors:
- oregon doesn't spend as much of its budget on police as its neighbor states, which is why ICE keeps calling in the feds when action happens
- the local electorate is not necessarily cooperative with the feds. documented example of the mayor of portland ordering cops to tell ICE to pound sand: https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/20...alls-for-help/
- portland specifically has a higher concentration of leftists than anywhere else in the country (it's the only metro area i have contact with a cell in another state)

and as far as cowardice goes, you judge Willem Van Spronsen (the 69-year-old who died assaulting a concentration camp) for his intent, if you disagree with it. i'll judge him for his tactics, but they only suck if he intended to come out alive, and i suspect he might not have. but he died fighting. cowards don't go out like that.

[z31maniac]

I understood your point.

Most people down here who CCW would not be anywhere near an Antifa protest and would have good judgement to avoid a situation which would require deadly force.

Our local government would be unlikely to tell police to "stand down" like the Portland mayor did, resulting in arrests and the general maintenance of law and order.

Now if Antifa went up a holler and started messing with people on their property then yeah, we all hunt and know how to shoot and if the 30-30 don't get ya the 12 gauge will.

This is true, but you can't underestimate the hillbillies in this area and there desire to cause a problem.

hey man, i've been trying to keep us out of insult land. can we chill?

Yes, my bad.

[decay]

So why do your coward brethren only do things in Portland?

hey man, i've been trying to keep us out of insult land. can we chill?

[z31maniac]

why do you both think a person who decided to take anti-fascist action would not take advantage of any local laws that allowed legal access to firearms?

the only reason i don't own an AR-15 is that i can't get a 49-state version where the difference between that and my issued weapon is the "burst" setting on the selector switch

are there people in antifa who aren't fans of guns and would probably not employ one? certainly

but y'all gotta stop thinking of it as if it's a monolithic demographic where everyone agrees on everything, because that's not at all true

So why do your coward brethren only do things in Portland?

[coldweatherblue]

I would presume Antifa members to be armed, legally or illegally, and thus would take measures avoid any situation where it would require deadly force to defend myself from an unprovoked attack.

Situational awareness and avoiding conflict in the first place is the best way to prevent violence.

[decay]

why do you both think a person who decided to take anti-fascist action would not take advantage of any local laws that allowed legal access to firearms?

the only reason i don't own an AR-15 is that i can't get a 49-state version where the difference between that and my issued weapon is the "burst" setting on the selector switch

are there people in antifa who aren't fans of guns and would probably not employ one? certainly

but y'all gotta stop thinking of it as if it's a monolithic demographic where everyone agrees on everything, because that's not at all true

[coldweatherblue]

I think you missed my point.

Down here where a huge segment of the population carries and you are legally allowed to use lethal force to stop someone from being attacked, these mask wearing cowards would likely end up being shot.

I understood your point.

Most people down here who CCW would not be anywhere near an Antifa protest and would have good judgement to avoid a situation which would require deadly force.

Our local government would be unlikely to tell police to "stand down" like the Portland mayor did, resulting in arrests and the general maintenance of law and order.

Now if Antifa went up a holler and started messing with people on their property then yeah, we all hunt and know how to shoot and if the 30-30 don't get ya the 12 gauge will.

[z31maniac]

My guess is around here they'd just be arrested.

I think you missed my point.

Down here where a huge segment of the population carries and you are legally allowed to use lethal force to stop someone from being attacked, these mask wearing cowards would likely end up being shot.

[mrsleeve]

Its a detention center, not a prison. detained persons can leave anytime they want to return home.....


Why would be trying to rehab people that are trying to get in, its not like they have committed crimes that would require such measures. Yes it costs money to ship people places, you point is what????

[Cabriolet]

https://apnews.com/6bbb56a3887e46db80516a01858b5e75

Can we talk about how immoral it is to have a privately run jail system.

>makes money from prisoners
>no incentive to rehabilitate
>return offenders = more money

this just sickens me to death. the whole point of a prison should be to reform the individual and make it easier for them to return as a productive member of society.

[decay]

why do you still think i know about every action before it happens?

lone actor in a decentralized movement

guy was apparently 69 years old, maybe martyr/suicide by cop is what he wanted

[mrsleeve]

so was this part of the plan there decay

https://apnews.com/6bbb56a3887e46db80516a01858b5e75

Some idiot attacks and tosses Molotov's at an immigration detention center in WA state and got himself shot by the cops in the process..