Let’s talk about Antifa.

[cale]

...where did you get that, and did you miss the story of how i got hit by a cop? or the part where i'm an army veteran who had contact with al-queda in iraq?

like, do you actually read, or just try to cherry-pick what fits your chosen narrative?

You're right, Alex Jones sent that cop to hit you.

Your prior service is a moot point. The majority of Antifa members will never do such a thing, they will not exhaust any effort to suppress truly despicable groups on Twitter when there are Alex Jones' to attack.

i love how people

Who are these people specifically?

[decay]

also gotta say, i love how people are decrying our use of violence while simultaneously arguing for 2A rights in the trump thread.

pick a position. you don't get to allocate weapons based on political ideology.

[decay]

So the battle you chose to pursue is words that scare you vs actual use of violence, k.

...where did you get that, and did you miss the story of how i got hit by a cop? or the part where i'm an army veteran who had contact with al-queda in iraq?

like, do you actually read, or just try to cherry-pick what fits your chosen narrative?

[cale]

please refer back to the part where i explained that there is *tons* of fucked-up shit going on in the world and if you're not going to succumb to fatigue, exhaustion, and apathy, you gotta pick your battles, mahdood

So the battle you chose to pursue is words that scare you vs actual use of violence, k.

[decay]

in other words, the end justifies the means?

you haven't answered my question.

[decay]

You try just as hard to get radical Islamist off twitter? You know, people who are actually inciting murder and have blood on their hands?

please refer back to the part where i explained that there is *tons* of fucked-up shit going on in the world and if you're not going to succumb to fatigue, exhaustion, and apathy, you gotta pick your battles, mahdood

[decay]

Maybe it's the idea that Antifa is not capable of accurately determining what is hate speech, yet wants to decide for everyone else.

A progressive Democrat earned his fellow left-wing protesters’ wrath earlier this month for the act of carrying an American flag.

Paul Welch, who describes himself as a “slightly progressive leftist,” was protesting the right-wing group Patriot Prayer’s August 4 rally in Portland, Ore. As he carried his American flag alongside other counterprotesters, several black-clad Antifa members carrying various weapons demanded he hand over the flag, calling it a “fascist symbol.” A viral video captured Welch clinging to his flag as several masked men in makeshift armor try to wrest it from his hands. One of them can be seen hitting him repeatedly and then clubbing him on the back of his head, which causes him to collapse instantly and lie curled up on the ground in his own blood.

“I remember thinking there was a very good chance that I could be beaten to death,” Welch told the Oregonian. A three-inch slash on his head required four staples, and he missed two days of work to heal from the concussion he suffered.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...american-flag/

this almost happened to me.

at a protest in oakland for a black girl who'd been murdered by a white supremacist at a public transit station, the proud boys showed up and got swarmed on. not just by antifa, but pretty much everyone present for the event.

in the rush to confront them, someone pulled my flashlight/stun device out of my pocket- i turned around to see who it was and "hello, black panthers". six of them, all bigger than me (i'm 6'3"), looking pissed off.

i won't pretend that wasn't an "oh fuck might die" moment.

i pointed at my three-arrows shirt (see avatar) and shouted "friendly!" twice. they got it, gave me back my flashlight, bro-hugs were exchanged, and we moved towards the front.

yeah, i get it, it is unfortunate that people are so pissed off that civil and political discourse is devolving into street violence, and for your own safety, if you're going to protest, you have to make *absolutely fucking clear* what your position is- but my anecdote for that day is:

the only person who hit me was a pig.

[cale]

Is it the de-platforming thing? Getting Alex Jones and Richard Spencer off of youtube and twitter?

You try just as hard to get radical Islamist off twitter? You know, people who are actually inciting murder and have blood on their hands?

[gwb72tii]

Ok, I would like clarification on what you mean when you say that.

Is it the de-platforming thing? Getting Alex Jones and Richard Spencer off of youtube and twitter?

in other words, the end justifies the means?

[frankenbeemer]

Ok, I would like clarification on what you mean when you say that.

Is it the de-platforming thing? Getting Alex Jones and Richard Spencer off of youtube and twitter?

Maybe it's the idea that Antifa is not capable of accurately determining what is hate speech, yet wants to decide for everyone else.

A progressive Democrat earned his fellow left-wing protesters’ wrath earlier this month for the act of carrying an American flag.

Paul Welch, who describes himself as a “slightly progressive leftist,” was protesting the right-wing group Patriot Prayer’s August 4 rally in Portland, Ore. As he carried his American flag alongside other counterprotesters, several black-clad Antifa members carrying various weapons demanded he hand over the flag, calling it a “fascist symbol.” A viral video captured Welch clinging to his flag as several masked men in makeshift armor try to wrest it from his hands. One of them can be seen hitting him repeatedly and then clubbing him on the back of his head, which causes him to collapse instantly and lie curled up on the ground in his own blood.

“I remember thinking there was a very good chance that I could be beaten to death,” Welch told the Oregonian. A three-inch slash on his head required four staples, and he missed two days of work to heal from the concussion he suffered.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...american-flag/

[decay]

It’s just that Antifa, as practiced, is not the best choice. The membership of Antifa, as practiced today, is facist.

Ok, I would like clarification on what you mean when you say that.

Is it the de-platforming thing? Getting Alex Jones and Richard Spencer off of youtube and twitter?

[gwb72tii]

How anarchism works in practice looks much more like a return to tribalism. Find a clan that works for you, support everyone in it, and if there's an issue between members, resolve it internally. Don't interact with the government if you don't have to.

I sort of don't get why this doesn't make sense to libertarians online, because when I sit down and have a conversation with one of them in person, they seem to agree on the core principles, other than they suffer from the delusion that they'd be just fine going it alone.

The issue isn’t with your theoretical principals, it’s with Antifa
Frankly I applaud your willingness to act and fight for your political viewpoints
It’s just that Antifa, as practiced, is not the best choice. The membership of Antifa, as practiced today, is facist.
Oh, the irony

[decay]

The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.

—Malcolm X

at the time, he wasn't wrong.

maybe still isn't.

i'm not a liberal so i don't have a dog in that fight, but i'm curious:

is your argument that we should listen to Malcolm, or that he was wrong?

[frankenbeemer]

The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.

—Malcolm X

[decay]

Bringing up MLK was in reference to the whole "violence being a means to an end." By bringing up the most important Civil Rights leader in US history, who accomplished more in that regard given his status and belief in non-violent protest, I felt was a worthy counterpoint.

It was. But Malcolm X's messaging resonated with people for a reason.

And your point wasn't "too nuanced", I just don't agree, which should surprise neither of us.