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Originally posted by MrBurgundy View PostI disagree, good sir
sure, I can see they might, to a certain degree, but not like the comparison I just made
Frankly I hope the g20 flops.
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Originally posted by e30davie View PostThey will still sell a bazillion of them no matter what they look like, so bmw still gets their moneys. I don't see why everyone expects BMW to cater for the "enthusiasts", bmw is in the business of selling cars, so they cater to those with the money.
Guy at work has an M140i little hatch back thing, gawd that thing looks awesome. brakes the size of my wheels. Screw the 3 series, the 1 and 2 series is where its at these days for "enthusiasts".
Tesla sold more model 3's in the last quarter than BMW sold of every car they make combined. The 3 series is one of the most traded in car for a Tesla. All car sales are dropping like rocks across the industry (specifically, ICE based car sales), BMW was basically flat which wasn't bad but they aren't growing. The only thing holding steady are CUVs and SUVs, but they'll have their day in court too.
I argued it in the other thread, they are in trouble if this is what they keep coming up with. What's the future of BMW? They're going to save the world with a gigantic 7 series SUV? They aren't even a player in electrification. The i8 is damn cool looking but sales wise it's a joke.
If you wan't a BMW that you can actually drive, like with your hands and feet, it doesn't exist anymore. I can play with flappy paddles and let the computer do the rest for me on a Playstation.
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I am one of those people who isn't completely against newer BMW's it just depends on which ones. Someone else mentioned in the thread the M2 competition is a pretty awesome car, I would say closest to the E30 if you are thinking legacy. The 6 is a great car as well, is it softer yea but its still a fun GT.
That being said I do not like the G20 one bit, even if it drives well, from the rear its possibly one of the worst BMW designs to come out in a long, I would mistake it for a Lexus IS all day.
Not that there is anything wrong with Japanese design I like some of them, but a BMW should look German (whatever that is).
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Originally posted by nando View PostWill they?
Tesla sold more model 3's in the last quarter than BMW sold of every car they make combined. The 3 series is one of the most traded in car for a Tesla. All car sales are dropping like rocks across the industry (specifically, ICE based car sales), BMW was basically flat which wasn't bad but they aren't growing. The only thing holding steady are CUVs and SUVs, but they'll have their day in court too.
I argued it in the other thread, they are in trouble if this is what they keep coming up with. What's the future of BMW? They're going to save the world with a gigantic 7 series SUV? They aren't even a player in electrification. The i8 is damn cool looking but sales wise it's a joke.
If you wan't a BMW that you can actually drive, like with your hands and feet, it doesn't exist anymore. I can play with flappy paddles and let the computer do the rest for me on a Playstation.
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Originally posted by nando View PostWill they? Tesla sold more model 3's in the last quarter than BMW sold of every car they make combined. The 3 series is one of the most traded in car for a Tesla. A]
They aren't even a player in electrification. The i8 is damn cool looking but sales wise it's a joke.
BMW has delivered 250,000 i3, i8 and Mini-Es world wide already - they will sell over 140,000 this year, so they're hardly not in the game. If you add in their Plug-in Hybrids, then its higher again & they have just bought out Brilliant in China - BWM EV sales in China are up by 7x this year.
In Australia Tesla has thus far delivered exactly 2 Model 3s, and they are LHD so can't be driven on the road...
Don't get me wrong - I'm a fan of Tesla. They built the biggest battery in the world in my state to sure up the base load capacity of our energy grid for renewables - it basically works like a giant capacitor, and irons out power fluctuations in the grid. On the live tracker today my state is currently running on 57% solar and wind power, the remainder topped up by gas turbines so the results speak for themselves. So much for brown outs once you hit 30% renewables? Every time there's an outage the mainstream media rant about how unreliable the power supply is, but the reality on the ground is it's more reliable now than when we were 100% coal powered.
Power is expensive, but also is likely to taper off in price by 2020 as the bulk of the infrastructure is now in place, and we will get a 500MW solar thermal plant online by then to take over from the gas turbines for the remaining base load, the gas will be used for emergency top up / stabilisation of the grid. That'll push us over 70% renewable energy by 2020/21.Last edited by lukeADE335i; 10-22-2018, 11:34 PM.
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The last bmw I will ever own is an e46.
I’ve had
2008 328i stock
2011 335i FBO
2013 135i stock
2013 X1 xdrive35i stock
2004 e46 zhp
1987 325is
My favorite cars are the zhp and e30. Sure the 35s were fast and what not but they still lack drivers feel. I remember I would wake up in the morning to go to work worried that a light will turn on my 35s even though they were still under warranty. Sometimes I would do a hard pull and it’ll go on limp mode. My 135i I did the launch one time and the charge pipe blew to pieces scared the shit out of me. My zhp is reliable and sporty and if a light comes on I don’t worry that it might be the turbos or something serious as the 35s. Just my thought. You can’t buy a used 35s and expect reliability. You can buy a 150,000 mile e30, e36, e46 and get reliability.
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Originally posted by lukeADE335i View PostYou're only looking at US figures though... the Europeans won't be blown away by Tesla over the longer term, Tesla has a backlog of 400,000 Model 3 orders so sales will be initially high as production ramps up, but then taper off.
BMW has delivered 250,000 i3, i8 and Mini-Es world wide already - they will sell over 140,000 this year, so they're hardly not in the game. If you add in their Plug-in Hybrids, then its higher again & they have just bought out Brilliant in China - BWM EV sales in China are up by 7x this year.
In Australia Tesla has thus far delivered exactly 2 Model 3s, and they are LHD so can't be driven on the road...
Don't get me wrong - I'm a fan of Tesla. They built the biggest battery in the world in my state to sure up the base load capacity of our energy grid for renewables - it basically works like a giant capacitor, and irons out power fluctuations in the grid. On the live tracker today my state is currently running on 57% solar and wind power, the remainder topped up by gas turbines so the results speak for themselves. So much for brown outs once you hit 30% renewables? Every time there's an outage the mainstream media rant about how unreliable the power supply is, but the reality on the ground is it's more reliable now than when we were 100% coal powered.
Power is expensive, but also is likely to taper off in price by 2020 as the bulk of the infrastructure is now in place, and we will get a 500MW solar thermal plant online by then to take over from the gas turbines for the remaining base load, the gas will be used for emergency top up / stabilisation of the grid. That'll push us over 70% renewable energy by 2020/21.
When's the last time you were excited about a new BMW? For me, it has to be way back to the E46 M3, and to a lesser extent, the E9x. Everything else has been.. meh. I love my '06 330i, but it has 3 pedals, an N/A inline-6, and no idrive - which you literally cannot buy anywhere anymore.
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The new naming conventions have me lost, but they did that with the introduction of the 4 series.
However there is a dirty part of me that really enjoys the way the new bmws drive, my daily is a Renault Clio rs200 cup it’s raw & feels like the e30(is actually harsher on the road), my better half has an m135i it feels planted & big for a hatch back that only a negligible amount bigger than the Clio & with a n55b30 in a rwd hatch it’s a hoot to drive.
But I digress, the g20 is like most new 3 series it’s 12ft of car that will be forgotten in 4yrs when the next a,b,c,d,l,t series comes out
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Not surprised on the M135i Anthony - they're pretty popular as a daily / part-time track car down here in a manual. Unfortunately our US friends missed out on the 1 series.
rturbo: Yes - the X7 has to have one of the ugliest BMW grilles ever put into production... when did BMW decide they needed to take on the Escalade?
nando: agreed on the e46 / e92. After that they just got too big. Time will tell on Tesla - personally I hope they go from strength to strength, but still think the cars may get crushed by the major manufacturers once they get serious about EVs. Not necessarily a problem for Tesla, they'll just morph into a battery manufacturer and supply the other manufacturers.
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Originally posted by Stanley Rockafella View PostIs it just me, or is the X7 just an attempt to steal buyers away from the XC90?
...at least in terms of interior and exterior
XC90 is X5 territory.
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Originally posted by rturbo 930 View Post
Damn, that's an ugly motherfucker. It looks like it has bucked teeth.
IG @turbovarg
'91 318is, M20 turbo
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'94 525iT slicktop, M50B30 + S362SX-E, 600WHP DD or bust - updated 3-17
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