S50 Is dead thanks to TRM.

[daniel]

i have a TRM chip and my car seems to work alright. I don't have anything to compare it to, though.

[e30polak]

Shitty situation. :???:

[mattdk318i]

ok, The horse is dead. Wheres TRM to Refund the moneys? OR are custom chips not refundable?

[Farbin Kaiber]

I had this same problem with a GM PROM on a 454 TBI. They incorrectly packaged a 502 PROM in a 454 truck based box...

I had to eat a new engine courtesy of GM Performance.

[EtaSport]

Hmm.. sucks to hear. I agree on the refund, however I still have to throw some logic in an say that even at 100 percent duty cycle (especially over 5500rpms) I dont see how that is enough fuel to wash cylinders but perhaps it is on a new rebuild.

point in case, there is a reason I broke in my s50 with a stock tune then added my mods.
oh, and on the idle concerns, my s50s idle will bounce even with a turner chip, my m50 did the same thing, so don't just judge a tune without trying some others.

[slow e30]

if you can prove it was exactly the chip, and the chip only, your SOL, i think. sorry for your troubles, but is TRM a good company?

[416stroker]

They should give you a refund just due to the fact your are unhappy with there product. but I still cant see it adding that much fuel sucks sorry man. Id be pissed as well.

[M3 euro ltw]

Interesting thread

It smoked but I had no idea what is was smoking for. I had a fault code for bad injectors and then another code for a bad maf then another code for the oxy so I was chasing all of that and had no idea that I was caused by a terrible chip.

I am in fact an ase cert mechanic. After chasing issues created by the chip and then solved by another chip I have to say the TRM was I correct and as you can see I supplied all info to them and my lower end and head are new.

BTW- Engine had just been rebuilt. New rings $$$ Main Bearings Rod Bearings machine work and all. It was tight as a drum.

It seems that I made a costly mistake putting the furture of an engine I took 3 years building in the hands of a company that I did not know. Lesson Learned

All I have to say is thank god it did not run lean and cook up the head that I just spent 2k having fully rebuilt and ported.

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Something really fishy is going on here.

How come the thread doesn't go like this?

"I'm an ASE certified mechanic, but despite that, I can't figure out why my engine is running so rich I can see it smoking. Before I run the engine for another minute, does anyone have any bright ideas? Should I contact TRM directly? I spent 2K on the head, I spent 3 years building this, and I sure as heck suspect somethings not right because of all this smoke!

Does anyone local to me have a similar set up that runs well, so I can borrow their DME/chip and see if it runs my engine properly?"

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I'm not a professional mechanic. My race engine started running like !#$ recently, so I parked it. Brought in a pair of pro's. They found a few problems, one of which is that like this thread, tons of fuel was running into the oil. Immediately, within minutes, they knew I was flooding the oil, and they told me not to drive it at all, change the oil out, and then run it.

My gut instinct after this situation for my car is that its fairly common knowledge that this situation will ruin bearings and wreck havoc with the cylinder walls as OP has had happen. It didn't take them 2 hours and street driving on top of that to figure it out.

I'm sure I'll regret sticking my nose in here... but the original post is so inflammatory, and the guy posting it claims a certain level of skill but also claims he had no idea why it was smoking, and yet ran it/drove it for 2 hours.

I'm sorry, but I have to ask, whats happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country?

OP knows that if they had paid someone to build that engine and deliver a complete product that he'd be pissed as hell at the shop for running the engine for 2 hours and ruining all the hard work. Much less pissed off at the chip supplier. OP would have presumed that anyone building an engine would know how to sort this out without wrecking it. The shop would be a bunch of wusses if they tried to claim it wasn't their fault, and it was a bad chip. OP knows it, and anyone reading this thread knows it.

Flame suit is on, I'm sure that OP and anyone who is his friend will fry me for this... but every once and a while, you read a post or thread...and you're like....wait a minute... did I just read what I thought I read? This is one of those times. I really hope that the OP is not someone I know that I've dealt with for years in my side business...in that case I'm probably burning bridges, but I still have to wonder about the whole picture when you back up and think about it....

[Aptyp]

I also think it is nice that a person with a whole 11 posts is going to tell me that I am acting fishy. Here is the whole story piece by peice because you must have skimmed it.

That fucking noob. Doesn't he know, that experience is measured by the post count?

[Aptyp]

Were breaking engine in with the chip? What else did you do while there? Few posts up, it was said that it's pretty hard to flush rings, especially on the new install, and you o2 sensor would protect you from that happening. Chip alone couldn't do that much damage, unless it was set to run at 20:1 ratio at all times.

[Jason89i]

Ive been sitting on the sidelines here....as usual. However, since M3-euro-LTW chimed in, I think I will to.

EDITED.

back on topic.

1. Verify whats wrong. If your in over your head, take it to a qualified tech and hook it up to a gt-1. 2. Contact vendor. 3. Try to resolve with vendor. 4. THEN Post results.

Venting your feelings on the web does not help anybody.

respectfully, jason

[flyboyx]

reading this thread is kind of like watching jerry springer and romper room rolled into the same program. before you flip to that channel, you already know its a waste of time, but some masochistic part of you wants to see trailer trash throwing chairs at each other.

i don't have any issue with you bmw tuner, i know that you are pissed, but this isn't the proper way to handle this. your assessment of the situation may be correct, but basically what you are saying is "i am angry at my situation so i am going to lash out and try to do as much damage as possible to the entity that i think is responsible."

above, you mentioned that you were just stating the facts. give me a break. for example: how the heck do you know the rings are polished? did you take the engine apart? obviously you stated later in this thread that you had not but were intending to do so. what do polished rings look like anyway? have you ran a compression check or leak down since the rods started knocking? you mentioned something to that effect above to justify that your rings weren't broken. but this would seem to contradict your polished ring theory of "fact".

this thread is so childish. its embarrassing. come on!

you really should delete all of this crap and start over in a week once you have actually talked to someone from trm on the phone, taken the engine apart, and thought about it for a couple of days. jesus christ!

at this point, you have pretty much ruined a company's reputation with your conclusions that MAY be correct. how are you going to account for the small possibility that something may have gone wrong on your end? would you post the true results here? i doubt it. you have basically backed yourself into a corner with your rant. if it turns out to be anything other than the chip, there is no way that you could tell us without looking like the world's most supreme f*ck tard. in all honesty, no matter how this turns out, you have already made a strong case.

here is an example of a case in fact: about 6 or 8 months ago, i purchased an ix drive shaft from you for about 120 bucks. lets say that when i received the drive shaft, i noticed that it might have had a defect in the weld where the flange is welded to the shaft. i think about it but decide that since it already came from a used car that it must be fine, i install it on my car and drive on down the road. after a week that weld comes loose on the highway and the shaft tears up the entire underside of my car. i am completely pissed. i don't bother to call you and talk about it directly. i just post this massive rant here on this forum telling everyone what a douche bag you are. would that seem fair to you?

i have my asbestos underwear on, so go ahead and flame away.

[flyboyx]

the point of the example isn't whether or not the part i purchased from you is used. it is a matter of destroying someone's reputation without fact and without giving them a chance to take care of the issue directly. that is the part that ticks me off. before i posted above, i was thinking to never make another entry on this thread and hope it would die a slow death of being pushed to the end. obviously you are too pissed to let that happen. once again, i empathize with your situation, but this thread is just so stupid that i couldn't hold my peace.

it may sound like i am attacking you personally bmw tuner but i am not. i do, however have a problem with your method. after a month or so and you cool down a little, i'm pretty sure even you will look back at this and agree.

ps: why don't you address my entire post other than just some small aspect that completely evades the real issue?

[JGood]

Yeah, this is ridiculous. Deal with the company until either:

1. A satisfactory resolution is reached

or

2. A satisfactory resolution can not be reached

And once no further action is being taken on their part, you can come to this board and say what you want.

Doing what you are doing now is immature, irresponsible, and simply doesn't contribute to resolving anything (might be doing just the opposite).



This is ironic:

http://r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=109603

[Massive Lee]

I am just curious as I don't think the question was answered.

When was TRM contacted about the problem? A month ago? Last week? Saturday morning? Have you called them on Monday morning? If so, what was their reply, and what are they gonna do about it?