Miller W.A.R. Machine

[digger]

This is a tune specific for the car. If you think about it, the 2.7 is only a cubic inch different so there isn't really much to be expected. However, we could not get the power to stay up after 5800 rpm. It's either a narsty cat, or this is evidence that the m30 throttle body upgrade would be a good idea.

This is a tune specific for the car. If you think about it, the 2.7 is only a cubic inch different so there isn't really much to be expected. However, we could not get the power to stay up after 5800 rpm. It's either a narsty cat, or this is evidence that the m30 throttle body upgrade would be a good idea.

2.7L = 2693cc
2.5L = 2494cc
Diff = 199cc = 12.2 cubic inch.
% = 8% more

I am not sure if this shows the gains of the PSIK or just the gains from an untuned car to a tuned car.

[brody]

2.7L = 2693cc
2.5L = 2494cc
Diff = 199cc = 12.2 cubic inch.
% = 8% more

I am not sure if this shows the gains of the PSIK or just the gains from an untuned car to a tuned car.

Haha don't ask what I was smoking. It doesn't show much of anything. It did pick up power because of the psik and how we can tune it due to the psik, but it didn't make what we wanted and it just stops flowing at the top end.

Like I said, the 2.5L can gain more from the psik in relative terms.

[digger]

Haha don't ask what I was smoking. It doesn't show much of anything. It did pick up power because of the psik and how we can tune it due to the psik, but it didn't make what we wanted and it just stops flowing at the top end.

Like I said, the 2.5L can gain more from the psik in relative terms.

Do you have any plots going from the MILLER MAF to the PSIK? This would show what the PSIK does because it elimnates gains from the MAF/retune part! The one on your website has additional mods so the gain from the PSIK can't be properly determined.

[brody]

There is a before and after on the website for the PSIK compared to the MAF. It's the last one on the list there.

When you try to eliminate the tuning variable of a gain vs just bolting it on you create a major flaw. A) a MAF sensor will only work on these cars with a retune period. B) you can tune in a different manner thanks to th characteristics of a product, in this case, the MAF or PSIK.

So you can't compare the gains from simply "bolting" a product like this on, the car will not work without the tune. They are both 100% dependent on one another. And in my opinion, any actual performance enhancing product that is truley worth while needs a complimentary revision of software.

[digger]

There is a before and after on the website for the PSIK compared to the MAF. It's the last one on the list there.

When you try to eliminate the tuning variable of a gain vs just bolting it on you create a major flaw. A) a MAF sensor will only work on these cars with a retune period. B) you can tune in a different manner thanks to th characteristics of a product, in this case, the MAF or PSIK.

So you can't compare the gains from simply "bolting" a product like this on, the car will not work without the tune. They are both 100% dependent on one another. And in my opinion, any actual performance enhancing product that is truley worth while needs a complimentary revision of software.

According to the test comments for the last graph this compares "PSIK" to "PSIK + exhaust".

The 3rd graph compares MILLER GENIII MAF to PSIK but the PSIK has * which means

2.5" High Flow exhaust, Miller M30 Throttle body kit and Miller Smart Fan


So it does not show the gains from the PSIK alone.

I think you misunderstand what i am asking.

1)The original MAF system with stock intake is tuned for that setup
2)The PSIK is also a MAF system tuned for the new intake.

Hence the difference between the two shows the difference from the Induction Kit and effect of tuning becomes irrelevant.

All that is needed is

A) Run stock healthy car
B) Run same car but with GENIII MAF only
C) Run same car but with PSIK

There are graphs of A vs B and A vs C but not B vs C on the same car

[brody]

I see what you mean. The graph I was referring to has all the mods to it. Smart fan and exhaust with normal GEN iii MAF, the that same set up with the PSIK in place of the MAF. We have a local car coming in shortly that we will be able to install the MAF first for sake of a plain jane comparison.

The test comments are misleading but before we had the PSIK we had a "prostreet" package idea that consisted of the MAF, WAR Chip and Smart Fan. If you look on BF.c you'll find a thread talking about this package that never came to fruition.

[cyberkaa]

Awesome thread. I've loved the MAF conversion ever since I installed it. Nice to see there's some more power to be gained.

[briansjacobs]

Brody- what are the possibliities of running a war chip in a porsche, bosch motronic is all pretty much the same right?

[brody]

Brody- what are the possibliities of running a war chip in a porsche, bosch motronic is all pretty much the same right?

We actually have some porsche stuff ready, just not published on our site yet.
We have our MAF conversions and WAR Chips ready for the 944 N/A and the turbo stuff will be ready this month. As more Porsche stuff trickles in, more support will be available.

Really our WAR Chip works for a lot of things. Nissan, Volvo, Audi, VW, BMW, some Mercedes some ferarri's and a few other not so common euro cars. The only hold back is that we haven't had the opportunity to set up the .ECU configuration display files for all the applicable ECU's

[ForcedFirebird]

We actually have some porsche stuff ready, just not published on our site yet.
We have our MAF conversions and WAR Chips ready for the 944 N/A and the turbo stuff will be ready this month. As more Porsche stuff trickles in, more support will be available.

Really our WAR Chip works for a lot of things. Nissan, Volvo, Audi, VW, BMW, some Mercedes some ferarri's and a few other not so common euro cars. The only hold back is that we haven't had the opportunity to set up the .ECU configuration display files for all the applicable ECU's

This is why I can't tune some stuff as well. Haven't got much (or any, really) experience making the display files for the software. What kind of editing software is being used in your conversion?

[brody]

This is why I can't tune some stuff as well. Haven't got much (or any, really) experience making the display files for the software. What kind of editing software is being used in your conversion?

I'm not sure what your referring to, our software for the WAR chip or what we use for actual development?

[ForcedFirebird]

Just curious as to what hex editor you are using is all, to edit the binary.

[brody]

WinOLS for development, and the appropriate hardware.

[briansjacobs]

Brody-call me, im pretty big in the south east Porsche community. I am sure I am can move some units, I have someone that wants a MAF/war now for a 951. Let me know what you need as far ECU's are concerned I have access to 951,964,993 race cars some older ferrari, Sciricco......

[brody]

Brody-call me, im pretty big in the south east Porsche community. I am sure I am can move some units, I have someone that wants a MAF/war now for a 951. Let me know what you need as far ECU's are concerned I have access to 951,964,993 race cars some older ferrari, Sciricco......

I will try and call you today. I got to get a bunch of stuff done today that I am behind on.