5-lug Setup

[bimmer630]

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I for the life of me can not figure how you think a 16x7 wheel is wider than a 17x8 or 17x9 that I am running, but whatever...

But yeah we have beat this like a dead horse, so do go buy those 16x8 et23 wheels for cheap and get your e36 5 lug swap done and report back how bad they fit please...

the wheels i spoke of were 16x8, not 16x7.... and yes i went and got them.. i will find out how they fit probably next week when i do the swap.. i have all the parts now

[bimmer_adam69]

Also if you plan on running any e39 5 series wheels that you will have to run center bore reducers. E39's have a center bore of 74.1mm and all other 5 lug BMW's have a center bore of 72.56mm


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ya i know i have a set of centering rings already, thought i needed them for my e28 but didnt...

hey i have a set of front 750il calipers that id love to run in the front. have you ever heard about anybody using them with e36 m3 or e30 m3 struts??? i dont have the front struts yet so i cant conjure something up...im gona try and cross reference the #'s on realoem just in case.

as well aptyp was toying around with e36 325i rotor/318ti carrier/any caliper housing....dont get me wrong modifying shit doesnt scare me but not modifying is easer lol so all i need thats m3 is the hub, wheel bearing, lock and nut. sweet, the less e30 m3 the better...i have access to everything but the m3 rear hubs... maybe chris at cg motorsports has a set. with 10 m3's im sure he's got some shit.

[atomic]

that car looks so good!
Are you saying add another 3/4" just for the additional width of the E36 suspension/hubs compared to E30m3 stuff?

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that would make sense i guess if i was using the same wheels as you.. but these i think are actually an inch wider than those you have (those are 16x7 right).. so i would actually have a little bit more rim sticking out.. ahh what the hell im gonna just buy them and see how they fit

I for the life of me can not figure how you think a 16x7 wheel is wider than a 17x8 or 17x9 that I am running, but whatever...

But yeah we have beat this like a dead horse, so do go buy those 16x8 et23 wheels for cheap and get your e36 5 lug swap done and report back how bad they fit please...

[bimmer630]

that car looks so good!
Are you saying add another 3/4" just for the additional width of the E36 suspension/hubs compared to E30m3 stuff? that would make sense i guess if i was using the same wheels as you.. but these i think are actually an inch wider than those you have (those are 16x7 right).. so i would actually have a little bit more rim sticking out.. ahh what the hell im gonna just buy them and see how they fit

[atomic]

i think i'll just buy these wheels and if they dont fit ill sell them for more than i paid, since they are so cheap anyway.... but i would really love to see a pic of an e30 with et23 16x8's on it and the e36 based 5 lug setup!

Here are the wheels on a 5 lugged e30 m3 suspension car...

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=116052

Now add another 18mm (0.70866 inches, almost 3/4") to the outside of the wheels to get a close idea what your looking at...


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[Aptyp]

send me wheels, I'll take a pic for you...

[bimmer630]

i think i'll just buy these wheels and if they dont fit ill sell them for more than i paid, since they are so cheap anyway.... but i would really love to see a pic of an e30 with et23 16x8's on it and the e36 based 5 lug setup!

[Aptyp]

"What offset wheels should I run?
ET20 if you have a fender roller to roll and pull a little. If you want to install wheels and leave body alone, try any e36/e46 wheel offset wheels. They tend to be ET35+, CSL reps come in ET50 offset for a 8.5" wide wheel."

Hey Aptyp, did you write this before you actually installed your rims? I ask because you have a picture on here with those rims sticking out quite a bit and you said something to me about having to pick another rim cause one style didnt fit.

there are 2 pics... one is with wheels on z3 trailing arms, and other is on e30 trailing arms with z3 hubs... Also, those wheels in pic are ET15, and fenders aren't rolled or pulled at all. I'll take pics again soon.

also remember that your offset depends on the width of the wheel, my wheels are only 7" wide.

[atomic]

ohh no i understand what yuor saying, sorry mis communication.

i appreciate the info you guys have given. i am going to run e30 m3 hubs in the rear, if i cant find the calipers(which i probably wont, no big deal)
ill run the brakes specified. and then e36 m3 front struts with the proper billies and my cupkit springs.

one more Q....the e36 m3 strut housings and hub assembly....is the abs ring the same # teeth as the e30 325i rear cv axles???

thanks for the responses again. i know theirs more than enough info on this forum to do the swap so thanks again for the repetitive replies.


hey atomic, do you have any pics of your e30 with 5 lug wheels???

id love to see what youve done.

If you are going to run e30 M3 rear hubs then all you need to find (easy and cheap) is a set of rear e32 735 calipers and a set of e36 318ti carriers (again easy to find and cheap) and modify the e36 318ti rear carriers using the picture I posted earlier in this thread. The e32 calipers will drop right in the e36 318ti carriers and bolt right up with no issues once the carriers have been modified.

Here is mine with the e39 style 42's with a et20 offset. You can see even with a complete e30 M3 suspension on my car that a et20 wheel is very close to the fender lips. Look at rear wheel, I can not even fit my small finger in between the tire and fender lip and it is sitting on H&R race springs and the lips have been rolled flat...




Also if you plan on running any e39 5 series wheels that you will have to run center bore reducers. E39's have a center bore of 74.1mm and all other 5 lug BMW's have a center bore of 72.56mm


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[bimmer630]

"What offset wheels should I run?
ET20 if you have a fender roller to roll and pull a little. If you want to install wheels and leave body alone, try any e36/e46 wheel offset wheels. They tend to be ET35+, CSL reps come in ET50 offset for a 8.5" wide wheel."

Hey Aptyp, did you write this before you actually installed your rims? I ask because you have a picture on here with those rims sticking out quite a bit and you said something to me about having to pick another rim cause one style didnt fit.
I will roll my fenders if the ET23 rims Im looking at will fit.. i know guys probably run into clearance issues with 17" eT23's but mine are style 4, 16x8" wheels from an E38 750il.. I think they will look killer on an E30 but I tried one out on the rear of an E46 today and it stuck out bigtime.
My car will have E36 Z3-ish offset since im using E36 frontend parts and Z3 rear hubs in E30 arms, so ideally i should stick with an Et-40 from what i have read, but damnit i want these style 4's!!

if i ned the fenders rolled.. is there anybody with one around cleveland ohio that would do this for me or rent out the tool?

[bimmer_adam69]

Like I said I just do not see you fitting that wheel with a rear e36 318ti 5 lug. Hate to rain on your parade...

Here is why I say that. This is my new wheel I am fitting and it is a 17x9 et23 as well. I have rolled the fender lips completely flat and I am running a complete e30 m3 5 lug suspension and will still have some rubbing issues...






Now add another 15-20mm on that outer edge if you are running a e36 318ti rear 5 lug. You will clearly see it will be directly under the fender lip or even poking out some and will likely rub (even more so if you are lowered)...

ohh no i understand what yuor saying, sorry mis communication.

i appreciate the info you guys have given. i am going to run e30 m3 hubs in the rear, if i cant find the calipers(which i probably wont, no big deal)
ill run the brakes specified. and then e36 m3 front struts with the proper billies and my cupkit springs.

one more Q....the e36 m3 strut housings and hub assembly....is the abs ring the same # teeth as the e30 325i rear cv axles???

thanks for the responses again. i know theirs more than enough info on this forum to do the swap so thanks again for the repetitive replies.


hey atomic, do you have any pics of your e30 with 5 lug wheels???

id love to see what youve done.

[Aptyp]

those wheels are so sexy... hope they'll fit perfectly with rubber on, not VW stretch and poke.

[atomic]

thats the guy! i saw his writeup and threads and yes the wheels were very close...but he did state that if he had pre 88 wheel arches he wouldve been ok.

im running an h&r cupkit right now with ronals, removed rear seat, all trunk lining(not much difference) but pulled 50 lbs of tar out as well. the car has a nice rake to it now, ive got about a 7/8" gap between the top of the tire and the rear fender.

i dont know....this seems like an extensive swap but putting those style 5's next to it would make that zinno stand out, not to mention i need new brakes all around. i really dont want to spend money on stock brakes again:p

Like I said I just do not see you fitting that wheel with a rear e36 318ti 5 lug. Hate to rain on your parade...

Here is why I say that. This is my new wheel I am fitting and it is a 17x9 et23 as well. I have rolled the fender lips completely flat and I am running a complete e30 m3 5 lug suspension and will still have some rubbing issues...






Now add another 15-20mm on that outer edge if you are running a e36 318ti rear 5 lug. You will clearly see it will be directly under the fender lip or even poking out some and will likely rub (even more so if you are lowered)...

[Aptyp]

lol, yeah, that trunk tar and spare cement plate do take about 100lbs off, but I plan to add a hitch, to make up for missing weight.

[bimmer_adam69]

I do not see any way you will fit a style 5 17x9 et23 under the rear using e36 318ti parts, even more so if your car is lowered... Mtriple used e30 m3 5 lug parts and was barely able to fit that wheel under his car.


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thats the guy! i saw his writeup and threads and yes the wheels were very close...but he did state that if he had pre 88 wheel arches he wouldve been ok.

im running an h&r cupkit right now with ronals, removed rear seat, all trunk lining(not much difference) but pulled 50 lbs of tar out as well. the car has a nice rake to it now, ive got about a 7/8" gap between the top of the tire and the rear fender.

i dont know....this seems like an extensive swap but putting those style 5's next to it would make that zinno stand out, not to mention i need new brakes all around. i really dont want to spend money on stock brakes again:p