Sedan vs. Coupé

[Pac1373]

I'm part of the 4 door haters club. They are for old people and people with a family. For the life of me i have no idea why kids think they are even cool.... Also i consider most 4 doors parts cars. I'm not talking about the 5 series, seeing its only made in 4 doors. But other cars that came in two doors. I know when i was growing up, it was taboo to have a 4 door and usually you got made fun of. But it seems that the under 25 crowd could care less about the door count. /rant.

this pretty much hits it exactly on the head for me.

I started with Muscle cars as my primary Automotive interest, and, no one, I mean NO ONE would consider a 4 door even as an option. we hated having to take my buddies mom's Volare 4 door when his 73' Mach 1 was in the shop, it was embarrassing.

this is how it works in my mind

would you drive a 1970 Chevelle malibu? OH HELLS YEA!!!!

oh yea, it is a 4 door... ahhh, never mind, I'm good.

I was pissed when they stopped making Imprezza's with 2 doors.

[reelizmpro]

I believe BMW refers to both of them as both sedans--two door or four door.

I have both and find them equally appealing style wise, and they each have their own distinct look. I don't let anyone sit in my is's pristine M3 rear seat, and since my wife and I have friends and like to occasionally take them along, a four door is essential for our lifestyle.

I just don't understand how all you four door haters wouldn't want a car like this...

I like it, but it would be better as a 2 door. You don't see many nicely modded 4 doors, so when they pop up people rave about them and these 4 doors come a long way from stock form. In stock form, they are standard/bare bones models except for the iX. There's no sport model in a 4 door, you have to create it.

[Robert]

4 door.


Reason i got a 4 door is because no one likes/fixes them up nicely. So I decided to tastefully fix a 4 door.

[TrentW]

this pretty much hits it exactly on the head for me.

I started with Muscle cars as my primary Automotive interest, and, no one, I mean NO ONE would consider a 4 door even as an option. we hated having to take my buddies mom's Volare 4 door when his 73' Mach 1 was in the shop, it was embarrassing.

this is how it works in my mind

would you drive a 1970 Chevelle malibu? OH HELLS YEA!!!!

oh yea, it is a 4 door... ahhh, never mind, I'm good.

I was pissed when they stopped making Imprezza's with 2 doors.

As someone old enough to have grown up in the 60's and 70's, I understand where you're coming from--a four door '57 Chevy is practically ugly--but to me the Germans can make a four appealing. How about station wagons? I wouldn't have been caught dead driving the family '72 Buick Estate Wagon--with faux wood paneling btw--but I'd pay a lot to own a nice E30 Touring.

Just sayin'.

[JasonC]

As someone old enough to have grown up in the 60's and 70's, I understand where you're coming from--a four door '57 Chevy is practically ugly--but to me the Germans can make a four appealing. How about station wagons? I wouldn't have been caught dead driving the family '72 Buick Estate Wagon--with faux wood paneling btw--but I'd pay a lot to own a nice E30 Touring.

Just sayin'.

Sorry, but if they had tourings here in the states, they would be looked upon as just another wagon. Only reason people go nuts over them is cause they're rare here. Others may like the practicality of them, as a wagon would be used for. But the rest seem to be just fan boys. And the occasional person who likes something different.

[nando]

The sedan is super small and has less room in the front for the driver than a coupe and not a lot of space for rear passengers.

huh? they're exactly the same size!

anyway - all E30s are sedans by the stanrdards used when they were made.

[TrentW]

Sorry, but if they had tourings here in the states, they would be looked upon as just another wagon. Only reason people go nuts over them is cause they're rare here. Others may like the practicality of them, as a wagon would be used for. But the rest seem to be just fan boys. And the occasional person who likes something different.

Well, I simply don't agree. I like the practicality AND the style.

And I'm too old to be a "fan boy".

[nando]

There's no sport model in a 4 door, you have to create it.

At this point - what difference does it make? The 20 year old 4x4 suspension is crap. The 20 year old M20 made a wopping 168hp when it was new, after 200k+ it's going to be pretty tired, and it's the same engine in both models anyway. 20 year old worn out leather sport seats? The only other difference are the spoilers which are cheap and easy to come by, even brand new.

Oh yeah, you get 14" basketeaves (wooop!), that you can pretty much only get rubber band tires for, or all seasons. You can barely get snow tires in original E30 sizes now (~23.9"). Even 15" fitment is thinning out.

Maybe you get an LSD (which is optional on most E30s anyway), but that's probably worn out by now too. Basically nothing about a "sport" model E30 means anything, unless you happen to come across a really, really nice one. Everything that defines "sport" on most E30s is either outdated or completely worn out.

[Pac1373]

As someone old enough to have grown up in the 60's and 70's, I understand where you're coming from--a four door '57 Chevy is practically ugly--but to me the Germans can make a four appealing. How about station wagons? I wouldn't have been caught dead driving the family '72 Buick Estate Wagon--with faux wood paneling btw--but I'd pay a lot to own a nice E30 Touring.

Just sayin'.

Yea, were kind of on the same page, but, with having e30 tourings up here (still rare, but we have them) I can still say, I don't get it. 4 door and a station wagon? I already have a Mini-van, how far does the emasculation have to go? I agree SOME 4 doors look not too bad, e36 and e46 both look better than an e3o 4 door imho, but I would still prefer EITHER of them in a 2 door form.

Sorry, but if they had tourings here in the states, they would be looked upon as just another wagon. Only reason people go nuts over them is cause they're rare here. Others may like the practicality of them, as a wagon would be used for. But the rest seem to be just fan boys. And the occasional person who likes something different.

this is pretty much exactly right, I appreciate a touring for it's rareness, but honestly I would rather roll a Coupe or a Vert.

I just won't ever own an e30 4 door.

if it only came with 4 doors, that is one thing, e34, yep I like em. but they are a German sport sedan, and as such only had 4 doors, as was the purpose of them.

3 series should have all been 2 doors imho...

[atmobenzin]

Sorry, but if they had tourings here in the states, they would be looked upon as just another wagon. Only reason people go nuts over them is cause they're rare here. Others may like the practicality of them, as a wagon would be used for. But the rest seem to be just fan boys. And the occasional person who likes something different.

Its true, over here tourings are dirt cheap, sedans(2dr and 4dr) are preferred. Only exception is the 324d/324td tourings for obvious reasons, and those are getting pretty rare.

On average people will pay more for rusted out 2dr, rather than a mint touring.

[Alberthype]

4 doors more whores

[reelizmpro]

At this point - what difference does it make? The 20 year old 4x4 suspension is crap. The 20 year old M20 made a wopping 168hp when it was new, after 200k+ it's going to be pretty tired, and it's the same engine in both models anyway. 20 year old worn out leather sport seats? The only other difference are the spoilers which are cheap and easy to come by, even brand new.

Oh yeah, you get 14" basketeaves (wooop!), that you can pretty much only get rubber band tires for, or all seasons. You can barely get snow tires in original E30 sizes now (~23.9"). Even 15" fitment is thinning out.

Maybe you get an LSD (which is optional on most E30s anyway), but that's probably worn out by now too. Basically nothing about a "sport" model E30 means anything, unless you happen to come across a really, really nice one. Everything that defines "sport" on most E30s is either outdated or completely worn out.

But the only thing that's likely to need replacing is the suspension. Why swap parts when you can get the sport model to begin with? spoilers, seats, OBC, 14" BBS, leather sport seats, fully loaded from the factory will always be > than any car that's been retrofitted. I can't tell you how many cars I've seen with the rear spoiler mounted slightly off, half ass retrofits, etc.

[nando]

because all that stuff is mostly crap. the differences between an is and an i is pretty much just fluff, especially when a lot of those parts will be worn out anyway.

if you want a bone stock E30 - sure. But if you're going to mod it anyway, it makes zero difference.

[Robert]

[slammin.e28]

The only thing to look out for on e30s is rust and plastic bumpers/metal bumpers.
Everything else can be easily added on with a 10 minute trip on eBay and an open bank account.