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    #91
    Originally posted by Digitalwave
    I love the "I am modding my car so that one day 7 years down the road I can go to a track maybe" mentality. Why don't you just spend the money you are throwing at mods on a track day instead?
    BINGO!

    Scott314 just came to the Hoosier CCA School with his stock 325i - stock suspension, bottlecaps with Hankook all seasons, no fancy shmancy add-ons, save for a set of Hawk brake pads in the front.

    Guess what, he stayed on track and learned a lot over the two days. I watched him in the novice group, and from Saturday morning, where he was getting abused by the high horsepower guys, to Sunday afternoon, when he was getting slowed down by some of them, he really picked it up.

    Now, I have no problem with someone who wants to upgrade a part to replace a worn out one, but if you are really interested in tracking it - just do it - you need not get the go-fast mods first. The car can handle it.

    Now, if Heeter were not in timeout, he'd probably lay into me as I have modded the car "sooner" than needed. I have a LONG way to go before I can reach the limits of the car as it is - but I didn;t blow my track day budget to get mod parts. I can afford both. If I couldn;t, I'd be spending the $$ on entry fees instead of mods.
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      #92
      Originally posted by ///M42 sport
      I heard autos are slushbuckets and comparable to driving a boat. Might was well swap to 5 speed.
      You are doing a 5 speed swap because of what you've HEARD? lol.

      Dave: fuck Heeter, his car had tons of mods before he hit the track :)

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        #93
        Iain, pass the dutch.

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          #94
          I bought a KP e30 to track on as a novice and it worked out well until I planted it into the Armco...

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            #95
            Originally posted by Digitalwave
            I love the "I am modding my car so that one day 7 years down the road I can go to a track maybe" mentality. Why don't you just spend the money you are throwing at mods on a track day instead?
            that cracks me up as well. same with the "I can't autox/track because I have an auto!" this is my 4th season of autox and while I still have a long way to go as far as my driving, I'm already passing up cars that should be MUCH faster. In fact while I'm relearning performance driving after my 5 speed swap, I expect to be a lot slower than I am with the auto. can't wait to hit a real track though!
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              #96
              A good example was an autocross in Tampa that Mike A, boom monkee, and I were at when my car was still auto. boom monkee's 318iS BEAT Mike's M3 that was running R-compounds, and I was less than 1 second behind Mike's time with my slushy 325i and bald Potenzas.

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                #97
                Originally posted by Digitalwave
                A good example was an autocross in Tampa that Mike A, boom monkee, and I were at when my car was still auto. boom monkee's 318iS BEAT Mike's M3 that was running R-compounds, and I was less than 1 second behind Mike's time with my slushy 325i and bald Potenzas.
                By the end of last weekend, Scott314 was moving at a pretty decent pace in his bone stock 325i running on all season Hankook brick tires. And I'd venture to say that the car has a lot more left before he approaches its limits even with that setup.

                And Nando - good point on the auto transmission. In fact, unless you are good at heel-toe (I am not), I'd venture to say most people would probably be faster at the track with an auto, as long as they can wind out the revs on it.
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                  #98
                  None of the above.

                  Because I'm OCD, and once I sell the GTI I'm going to need something to fulfull my USDA reccomended daily lowness requirement.

                  What else is an ETA good for, anyways.
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                    #99
                    Originally posted by ebelements
                    None of the above.

                    Because I'm OCD, and once I sell the GTI I'm going to need something to fulfull my USDA reccomended daily lowness requirement.

                    What else is an ETA good for, anyways.
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                      Originally posted by Digitalwave
                      You are doing a 5 speed swap because of what you've HEARD? lol.

                      Dave: fuck Heeter, his car had tons of mods before he hit the track :)
                      Yes, but he realized it was a mistake once he hit the track the first time. I doubt there is a better way to learn than on a stock car. Not that there's anything wrong with having coilovers and a fully rebuilt suspension, but it's really not necessary when you first start taking your car to the track. Giving your car more potential to go fast doesn't make *you* any faster.

                      A stock e30 is very forgiving and easy to "read". You can figure out what it's going to do before it does it. Some newer, more powerful BMWs don't have that quality, making it harder to corner near the cars limit. There were plenty of high HP cars in my class including 5 e46m3's, 2 350z's, a ZR-1 'vette, and an M coupe. I overheard some of the m3 drivers talking afterwards about how they had left their traction control on, but because they never got close to their cars limit, it didn't matter.


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                        Originally posted by Scott314
                        Yes, but he realized it was a mistake once he hit the track the first time. I doubt there is a better way to learn than on a stock car. Not that there's anything wrong with having coilovers and a fully rebuilt suspension, but it's really not necessary when you first start taking your car to the track. Giving your car more potential to go fast doesn't make *you* any faster.
                        You are assuming that the driver doesn't know how to drive fast to begin with in which case, modding your car with go fast parts may very well be a waste of money. Speaking for myself, my car was nowhere near what *my* limits were, but now, we are in good shape together and yeah, given a chance, I would love to take her to the track. There is a possibility that at some point in the next 3-4yrs, I might wind up in school in TN and might then have access to tracks and the opportunities to enjoy them. We'll see.

                        I'm not done modding though, and will continue to make it a "better" car: 5-lug swap, upgraded steering rack, more motor(stroker most likely) etc. As I said before, eventually, I will get to a place where there's just nothing left to do.


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                          Originally posted by Ray Smoodiver
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                            Originally posted by DaveCN
                            And Nando - good point on the auto transmission. In fact, unless you are good at heel-toe (I am not), I'd venture to say most people would probably be faster at the track with an auto, as long as they can wind out the revs on it.
                            the secret to winding out an auto is to use those "other" gear selections (mainly 1, 2, and 3), copious amounts of WOT and "the button". :p

                            unfortunately I'm not sure how long it will last driving like that all the time! mine is slipping really badly on cold mornings (pretty annoying actually) and the auto shifts aren't very smooth. I don't think it will actually ever break, but it makes my car kinda suck to drive. :(
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                              Originally posted by Scott314
                              Yes, but he realized it was a mistake once he hit the track the first time. I doubt there is a better way to learn than on a stock car. Not that there's anything wrong with having coilovers and a fully rebuilt suspension, but it's really not necessary when you first start taking your car to the track. Giving your car more potential to go fast doesn't make *you* any faster.

                              A stock e30 is very forgiving and easy to "read". You can figure out what it's going to do before it does it. Some newer, more powerful BMWs don't have that quality, making it harder to corner near the cars limit. There were plenty of high HP cars in my class including 5 e46m3's, 2 350z's, a ZR-1 'vette, and an M coupe. I overheard some of the m3 drivers talking afterwards about how they had left their traction control on, but because they never got close to their cars limit, it didn't matter.
                              man, Scott. shit. I swear you're a genius. shit son, for real. so many people don't get what you know.!!!!!!!one mad props

                              Originally posted by RCWells
                              You are assuming that the driver doesn't know how to drive fast to begin with in which case, modding your car with go fast parts may very well be a waste of money. Speaking for myself, my car was nowhere near what *my* limits were, but now, we are in good shape together and yeah, given a chance, I would love to take her to the track. There is a possibility that at some point in the next 3-4yrs, I might wind up in school in TN and might then have access to tracks and the opportunities to enjoy them. We'll see.

                              I'm not done modding though, and will continue to make it a "better" car: 5-lug swap, upgraded steering rack, more motor(stroker most likely) etc. As I said before, eventually, I will get to a place where there's just nothing left to do.
                              hahhaha.

                              yeah, you *think*you can drive, you mullet-wearing redneck son of a bitch. hahhahahhahahha. fuh race ricer!

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