German reliability: the greatest myth

[TobyB]

Oh, I dunno, the motors are pretty tough. As are most of the manual trans.

The plastic E36 window regulators, cooling systems, blah de blah, not so much.

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[cabriodster87]

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[varg]

German reliability is a myth? The only people I know of who believe in "German reliability" are fanboys of German cars.

[rturbo 930]

he did specify - he said never.

I didn't think he meant it literally. At some point in time, even the most reliable car is going to need something.

[nando]

I dunno. My dad had a 96 DX Hatch when I was a kid and the only thing we had to replace was a radiator and a couple hoses. Dad did oil changes and dealer scheduled filter changes and he never had a problem with it in the 6 years he owned it. Thing was a tank.

you're talking drivetrain though. also, that car is now 20 years old. I guarantee something has broken on it by now. it probably runs, sure. Rubber breaks down though - and nobody cares about having tight suspension on a 20 year old Civic.

he did specify - he said never. The idea is that a Toyota will never have anything, ever break on it, which is total nonsense. They have their own issues, even the older ones. 22RE head gaskets anyone? Ignition switches, frame issues, not to mention the unintended acceleration problems that got people killed.

[rturbo 930]

#1 doesn't exist.

He never specified over what mileage interval. Over 250k miles? Yeah, doesn't exist. 50k? I'd bet there's cars out there that meet that standard. The Jetta I have now has been pretty damn reliable over 500k miles (dad bought it in '88 ). I was actually pretty amazed by how much broken shit my E30 had with only half the miles.

[UlrichFennec]

90's civics have broken shit all over the place. they run forever but that doesn't mean the car hasn't been falling apart around the drivetrain. don't kid yourselves. When was the last time you saw a showroom fresh 90's Honda? They've all but disappeared around here, and I don't exactly live in the rust belt..

I dunno. My dad had a 96 DX Hatch when I was a kid and the only thing we had to replace was a radiator and a couple hoses. Dad did oil changes and dealer scheduled filter changes and he never had a problem with it in the 6 years he owned it. Thing was a tank.

[nando]

...depends on your length of ownership

if you define it that way, then my E90 falls under #1. :p

[nando]

90's civics have broken shit all over the place. they run forever but that doesn't mean the car hasn't been falling apart around the drivetrain. don't kid yourselves. When was the last time you saw a showroom fresh 90's Honda? They've all but disappeared around here, and I don't exactly live in the rust belt..

[UlrichFennec]

...depends on your length of ownership

Or if you own an old Civic from the 90's.

[Stanley Rockafella]

#1 doesn't exist.

...depends on your length of ownership

[nando]

#1 doesn't exist.

[straight6pwr]

everyone's definition of reliability is different. if I had to rank the levels of reliability based on peoples expectations: (i'd say my e30s fell under #2, and my e34 is under #3)

1)very reliable
the car never needs anything except gas, windshield wipers, and oil changes.

2)reliable
the car only needs repairs of items that don't affect driveability and can be fixed when the owner has time. small leaks, dead switches, etc. this car never leaves you stranded.

3)average
the car needs repairs involving major components on occasion. you'll need a tow for something during your ownership, and will have some $600 repair bills as well.

4)unreliable
something seems to go wrong every week or so, you don't trust the car on long drives.

5)very unreliable
car has so many issues, or major overhauls needed, that owners will sell it or leave it parked and not bother.

[slammin.e28]

Of course he bases all his shit on the Audi Allroad.....

Wait, don't need a model there, it's an AUDI. The only thing worse than an Audi is an Audi Allroad.