318is resto w/ built turbo M42

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  • econti
    E30 Enthusiast
    • May 2014
    • 1139

    #31
    Originally posted by Northern
    I don't know shit about thread inserts really, but I imagine any reduction in grip length/thread count has huge strength implications.

    Losing 3 of ~12 threads is a pretty large percentage. Yes the larger thread should bear more, but you're probably net negative on this.

    Same sort of situation as the aluminum block M52/M54 guys who run the shorter engagement iron block studs or thread insert to M11 and have them rip out of the block, but kind of wild to see it happen with an iron block.
    In theory the bigger stud method is for the stud strength, not the block thread strength as it is in the butter blocks. The quoted torque spec for ARP is 62ft/lb for M10, and 112 for M12. Something to do with the cross sectional area increase I would assume.

    I've also done some learning on timeserts and apparently if the bottom of the insert isn't engaged with the studs it can rip it apart. It definitely was when I put it together, however the machine shop that bored it with the torque plate perhaps did not, so I'm leaning towards that being the reason why.
    Anyway, the new insert turned up along with the tap and drillbit so I'll see if I can salvage it. God I hope so. I am too poor to put it all in another block.
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    • varg
      Florida Turbo Man
      • May 2014
      • 3383

      #32
      What a pain. Did the stud bottom out in the block and jack the threads out?

      The thread engagement length from the stud to the timesert is fine, it stripped the threads in the block. Engagement looks fine there too since it's the entirety of the timesert's external thread, you couldn't get extra engagement out of it anyway. The gotcha is that guidelines for engagement length in cast iron require more length than high strength steel, but with the larger threads you should have excess strength. If you have the thread specs and engagement depth it's not hard to calculate if it's inadequate for the load you're putting on those studs but I don't see any reason why it would be a problem unless the thread quality is poor or the stud bottomed out and jacked the insert out.

      IG @turbovarg
      '91 318is, M20 turbo
      '94 525iT slicktop, M50B30 + S362SX-E, 600WHP DD or bust
      '93 RX-7 FD3S, pretty and slow

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      • econti
        E30 Enthusiast
        • May 2014
        • 1139

        #33
        Drillbit, tap, and keysert turned up so I had to swallow my nervousness and have at it.
        16.5mm hole for a M18xsomething thread



        The keysert is the thick wall one.
        It has the little tabs that drive in to secure it in the material, but it's not recommended for cast iron due to brittleness, so I pulled them out and just loctited it in place



        Threaded the studs, laid the gasket, and just let it ride.





        It took the torque totally fine. Looks like I'm safe, for now. I've resigned myself to the expectation that it'll fail very soon after it runs, so I'm mentally preparing to do a stroker bottom end on a spare block I have. But that's a much much later problem.

        Put the timing set on and lined everything up.



        No valves in the pistons yet after a few rotations so I'm calling it good.
        Because the cams are quite spicy I've timed them to reduce overlap in the hope of retaining some bottom end power and spooling faster.
        Now it's time for the boring stuff but that shouldn't take too long to put together.
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        • Northern
          I like cupcakes & sh!tboxes
          • Nov 2010
          • 5224

          #34
          Hell yeah.
          Originally posted by priapism
          My girl don't know shit, but she bakes a mean cupcake.
          Originally posted by shameson
          Usually it's best not to know how much money you have into your e30

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          • Dj Buttchug
            R3V OG
            • Jun 2010
            • 7671

            #35
            Looks good. Form A sealer is the best way hands down. You will not get an M42 sealed up without it. Good move. I am in love with the stuff as well.

            Turbo M42 Build Thread :Here
            Ig:ryno_pzk
            I like the tuna here.
            Originally posted by lambo
            Buttchug. The official poster child of r3v.

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