Gordon Murray Automotive

[2mAn]

Are any of you paying attention to what Mr Murray has been up to? The T50 is obviously something fantastic, but he has a new T33 thats being introduced in a few days. They are calling it a supercar so I was expecing a V8 as 33 is 2/3 of 50 and a V8 is 2/3 of a V12... but I saw a snippet that it will also be a V12, but ONLY revving to 11,000rpms not 12000 haha

I really hope he makes a successor the Elan that he loves so much...

[R3Z3N]

I honestly stopped caring about Revs after my S54 swap.

I'd rather see good numbers. Heck, I would be seriously stoked with something more akin to Audi's R10 TDI, 3k-5k rpm range....

[E30SPDFRK]

Going off your 2/3 idea, this one will only be $2,000,000?

He made the rocket years ago that was kind of Elan ideas, but it was ugly and weird so no one bought it. He needs to get a designer for the bodywork so he can stick to doing mechanicals well, because the T50 isn't great looking either...

[rturbo 930]

The T50 isn't great looking? I think it looks pretty good, certainly better than a lot of the stuff coming out these days.

[2mAn]

E30SPDFRK That Rocket thing was closer to a Lotus 7 / Caterham than the Elan

[E30SPDFRK]

Nah, huge headlights, weird rear end, disproportionate greenhouse, etc. It's not necessarily ugly, just boring and a bit weird.

Dude was going on and on in one of the videos talking about saving ounces in the pedals compared to the F1, but then he goes and makes headlights that take up 50% of the front end.

[moatilliatta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4EIYQ6fkG4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOq-flI0Hx8&t=14s

I enjoy it. It does so much, but its so simple. Way against the grain, but I hate most new cars. Slam dunk.

[2mAn]

https://youtu.be/AJwn1NM58J0

[digger]

the old Mclaren F1 looks and sounds better than the T50

[hozzziii]

I've been following their progress since like a year ago.

While I am not really a fan (get it) of the looks, I do love the technical stuff.
The weight, the attention to detail, the revs, the craftsmanship, I love it.

But then again, I'm not in the target demographic, I can barely afford to keep my E30 in good shape.
So, yay.

[rturbo 930]

Kinda surprised the T.50 isn't getting more love here, it's a super light, well thought out supercar with an NA V12 revving to 12k. What's not to like? I don't typically like supercars, but I'm impressed by that one. There isn't another one like it.

Relevant video on the T.33: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILycsqvRnb4

[2mAn]

A little disappointed ...again....

T.33 was a "clean sheet" design but limited to 100 units, and also a nearly identical V12

[roguetoaster]

Kinda surprised the T.50 isn't getting more love here, it's a super light, well thought out supercar with an NA V12 revving to 12k. What's not to like? I don't typically like supercars, but I'm impressed by that one. There isn't another one like it.

Relevant video on the T.33: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILycsqvRnb4

Maybe because it's far beyond affordable for just about every automotive enthusiast, so we find any excuse to not like it?

To me, it ultimately serves no real purpose, trickles down no tech to realistically attainable models, and will just become another collectible commodity for people who won't use it for fear of diminishing the value of their investment.

I'm just tired of enthusiasts being expected to idolize stuff we can't have, while at the same time being served overpriced steaming piles of garbage at a pricepoint we can realistically work with in the newish car market. So, yeah, rich guys that can afford it, good for you, but you might as well have a Prius instead as far as I am concerned.

Grrr.

[rturbo 930]

Yeah that criticism I can understand. He was supposed to come out with some 3cyl turbo affordable sports car that was going to compete with the Boxster or something, but it seems the plans have been shelved. As I said, I don't really like supercars, most of them I just don't find very impressive, since they're pretty much the same thing over and over, but with more power and more modern styling. They're not really innovative anymore. Another thing I hate is this constant battle for who can make the most powerful supercar. At what point will more power no longer be able to be used as a sales pitch? When does it become just a numbers game? I'd say we're pretty much there. None of these cars can be driven even close to their limits on the street, or by average drivers. I'd much rather see a return to simple, mechanical, moderately powered sports cars that are reasonably priced. In other words, a brand new vintage car. No on will do it though.

That said I still like the T.50 and especially the design philosophy that went into it. And it has no turbos and a manual trans. I don't care if there's no trickle down tech in it, I like it because it's cool, and well designed, and personally I think it looks good. As for the purpose it serves, I'd argue that super cars don't really serve a purpose in general. They're luxury toys. That's it.

[2mAn]

I havent given up hope that he would still build that 'affordable' sports car but Im definitely feeling it now. Especially since he said that from here on out they will be a hybrid of some sort...