Anyone following what's going on in Iran?

[freeride53]

^not so.
- It would fix relations between Iran and the U.S
- It would shut Israel the fuck up. (not hating the people, just their government).
The US has been Israel's bitch for too long, and I think they're just starting to get it...
Well, the redneck types who listen to that dumb fat ass "christian" pastor fuck on TV...they're a lost cause. They are all oblivious, limping, idiots who don't know shit about politics...let alone the world.

[nando]

No, I'm saying Isreal needs to stop fucking with it's neighbors. For a country that claims to want peace, they sure have a funny way of showing it.

Most Amerijews think Isreal is innocent of brutality and racism. That's half the problem. The other half resides in Isreal's neighbors.

yay, racism.

you've been suckered by the neo nazi movement and you don't even know it

talk about sheep

[McGyver]

No really it wouldnt, it would drag the rest of the world into very bad bad place.

im not sure what freeride was trying to say cuz i dont speak canadian, but i think that ridding the world of the current iranian government would be a good thing. i dont see how a revolution led and performed by people trying to liberate themselves would be a bad idea. currently iran is a violent anti-western country that is trying to develope nuclear weapons, so i would like to see them go.

[mrsleeve]

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Yes I would agree that would be a great thing, No one will argue that one bit. The thing is I really dont see it happening with out help from the outside and the west in general


Freeride:
Yeah may be it would help relations with the west, but in the process it would drag both the west into it. Then more of the extreme Islamic belief, and other opponents of the west would jump in as well to on be half of the govt to counter that influence.

A "revloution" in Iran Now in this world political climate could be a flash point for some thing than no one wants to see.

Maybe I have read too much Clancy?????

[nando]

it probably needs to happen eventually, but a weak iranian goverment leaves open the possibility of an even more extreme regime taking it's place, yes. like the invasion and collapse of iraq and all the outsiders that were able to enter through the weak borders to cause trouble for the people who were already there.

[LBJefferies]

An overthrow if the government in Iran would definitely be a good thing, once the dust settles that is. I just hope we don't send troops over there. Weapons yes, troops no.

[McGyver]

Yeah may be it would help relations with the west, but in the process it would drag both the west into it. Then more of the extreme Islamic belief, and other opponents of the west would jump in as well to on be half of the govt to counter that influence.

A "revloution" in Iran Now in this world political climate could be a flash point for some thing than no one wants to see.

Maybe I have read too much Clancy?????

it could be too much clancy, but only fiction can hypothesize outcomes to current events.

from what i have seen, radical islam will not go away until that ideology is wiped from the face of the earth. i dont foresee this happening any time soon, but do know that if Iran gets close to making nuclear weapons, or anything else as destructive, Isreal will do the world's dirty work and bomb them again. that would be far worse than another revolution led by the people of iran. that whole region is so fucked up i dont think their is any good outcome at this point.

[E30Kaiser]

it probably needs to happen eventually, but a weak iranian goverment leaves open the possibility of an even more extreme regime taking it's place, yes. like the invasion and collapse of iraq and all the outsiders that were able to enter through the weak borders to cause trouble for the people who were already there.

The difference between Iraq and Iran is that Iraq is/was much more divided of a nation than Iran. I don't see a populist revolution in Iran being as bad a thing for the US as the previous one, especially as it is mostly fueled by supporters of the moderate branch of the current government who are fed up with the current administration and confrontation.

[mrsleeve]

Yes I do agree with you on the whole.

it could be too much clancy, but only fiction can hypothesize outcomes to current events.

from what i have seen, radical islam will not go away until that ideology is wiped from the face of the earth. i dont foresee this happening any time soon, but do know that if Iran gets close to making nuclear weapons, or anything else as destructive, Isreal will do the world's dirty work and bomb them again. that would be far worse than another revolution led by the people of iran. that whole region is so fucked up i dont think their is any good outcome at this point.

[E30Kaiser]

The one saving grace in that situation is the only group that militant Muslims hate more than westerners and jews is heretics, and Iran is basically a nation full of them in their eyes. So hopefully Israel's neighbors except for Hezbollah in Lebanon would see Israel's attack on Iran as two enemies fighting each other and not try to intervene.

[McGyver]

The one saving grace in that situation is the only group that militant Muslims hate more than westerners and jews is heretics, and Iran is basically a nation full of them in their eyes. So hopefully Israel's neighbors except for Hezbollah in Lebanon would see Israel's attack on Iran as two enemies fighting each other and not try to intervene.

seeing as how Iran is a theocracy, i think the sides will ultimately be drawn based on religion just like it has for the past thousand years. i just hope we can pick the right side and stick with it instead of having a repeat of Bosnia and Kosovo...

[E30Kaiser]

seeing as how Iran is a theocracy, i think the sides will ultimately be drawn based on religion just like it has for the past thousand years. i just hope we can pick the right side and stick with it instead of having a repeat of Bosnia and Kosovo...

The thing is, in Iran you have basically just one religion Shi'ah Islam, with small minorities of other religions. So if there was a revolution with sides drawn based on religion, it would be pretty one sided.

[McGyver]

i meant more of islam vs judaism, but i guess you cant just lump islam into one category because of the hatred between all of its factions. what an unhappy group of people...

[E30Kaiser]

i meant more of islam vs judaism, but i guess you cant just lump islam into one category because of the hatred between all of its factions. what an unhappy group of people...

I guess, I mean most of the religious groups don't run into each other, due to the fact that they are geographically concentrated in many cases. Iraq is kinda like the Balkans of the Middle East, its where a bunch of groups come together and they were lumped together a long time ago. Now that shit is crazy, it is easy to find safety in ethnocentric or religious ideals and blame it on the "other" group.
I don't really see any military in the region taking another swipe at Israel in a conventional way for a long long time in any case.

[decay]

if we had to invade somewhere, i wish it had been iran.

regime change is more "needed" there, and they are a lot closer to having WMDs than saddam was.

i'll never be able to understand why the previous secretary of defense didn't just say "look W, this crush-between-the-pincers move you're planning from iraq and afghanistan a few years down the road is a waste of resources, lives, and money. if you want to go to iran, let's just go there."

of course, that's probably why Gates wound up with his job.