"Snapshot" from Progressive....

[Wh33lhop]

lollerskates, how exactly did you determine that?

[nando]

Maybe he thinks e30s have carbs and cable driven speedos off the trans :p

[george graves]

This thread is a train-wreck.

[der affe]

right, But they have to obtain a warrant at that point and have to show a judge probable cause and reasonable need to be allowed to search your shit . Since you have told them to fuck off in the 1st place when dealing with your private property.. Just like you can tell them to shove it, when they ask you voluntarily submit to a search.

Look at your policy, by insuring with a company, you may wave that right.

I remember when i worked at dodge, they would pull up the data log for warrenty claims sometimes.

[CabrioPunk]

he's not a lawyer.

he's a cop. that's why he knows his shit. he isnt just making this stuff up from no where.

I also investigate accidents. I have recovered ACM (airbag control modules) and their data by authority of a warrant. Car companies have been recording information for a long time. see above post from the dodge employee. Even Ford just released a memo about ECM performance flash hardware, their use, how to track their use and the violation of warranty.the data recorders only became clear to the public recently. Manufacturers held that information very close to the chest.

The FCC stuff..... Are you familiar with this government entity? Ever try and build your own FM? How powerful? Notice the kits are so small in wattage? Try and set up your own 5000 watt station. See how that works. it us all regulated.... Tightly.. maybe even rightfully so. Try to block cell phone reception, tamper with broadcasting equipment,......


And you are correct I am not a lawyer. Got that part right. Not sure why you are so butt hurt about everything. You're not a sommelier either....

[nando]

What the hell does the fcc have to do with anything? Nobody said anuthing about modifying radio signals. The fcc doesnt govern the data you send over a wifi network, they control the spectrum.

This thread is full of nonsense

[george graves]

I know. He's talking out of his ass.

I'd take FCC legal advice from a cop - just like I'd let my dermatologist do brain surgery.

[Jand3rson]

Wait, wait, wait a fucking minute.

That little thing in the commercials that everyone is plugging into their car is real? They actually give you a little thing that you plug into your car that monitors your driving?

I thought that was just an ad gimmick.

[ALYKZANDYR]

If this kind of crap even get mandated for everyone to have, what about people with older cars without OBD? would they not be able to get insurance, or would they be exempt?

The thought of this monitoring scares me. Because now the insurance company would know where you are/car is, where you go, then sell this information to others.

[Kershaw]

What the hell does the fcc have to do with anything

because you're sending a signal over the airwaves that's been illegally used. the data is sent wirelessly, it says. but it doesnt say anything about using your home connection. that wouldnt make sense unless you do all your driving in your garage. lol. the signals are sent over at&ts cell network. which definitely makes it the fcc's territory.

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and my bad on the cruise control. that was a bit of a brain fart. it's like i've never taken a steering wheel off an e30 before. dont quite know what i was thinking there.

[Raxe]

Sounds like a sweet idea, where do I plug it into my E30?

[nando]

because you're sending a signal over the airwaves that's been illegally used. the data is sent wirelessly, it says. but it doesnt say anything about using your home connection. that wouldnt make sense unless you do all your driving in your garage. lol. the signals are sent over at&ts cell network. which definitely makes it the fcc's territory.

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and my bad on the cruise control. that was a bit of a brain fart. it's like i've never taken a steering wheel off an e30 before. dont quite know what i was thinking there.

*you* aren't sending a signal over anything. you've interpreted the data before it gets to the black box/signal generator.

does the FCC get involved over "illegal" things sent over the internet, wirelessly? no? okay then.

[Kershaw]

hmm, that might be a valid point.

but at the end of the day it's still committing insurance fraud, which is bad enough as it is.

[george graves]

Insurance fraud is when you fake an accident, or claim something was damaged or stolen when it wasn't.

[TwoJ's]

I just saw this big brother sh*t on a commercial while I was watching House. "I just plug it in(to the obd2 port) and in 30 days, i'm saving money".

Here it comes creeping in for real.....

Your thoughts???

Big Brother under the hood? read about this quite a while ago. if people accept this, it will be "mandatory" everywhere within 5 years I bet.

this is not at all ok imho.


(hav'nt seen the add's, I assume this is the monitor that records all Auto speed/rpm/braking,etc. data...)

Yes this prospect makes me very scared.


The fact that there are people out there willing to give up so much privacy to save a couple of hundred bucks or less a year disgusted me and saddens me a great deal

So its pretty much a black box and a big brother in one? I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Reason to have an OBD I car. Screw big brother, I don't concede to be monitored, and if I have an OBD II car an I'm in an accident you don't have permission to datalog my car's black box.

The thought of this monitoring scares me. Because now the insurance company would know where you are/car is, where you go, then sell this information to others.

I think that it is hilarious that you are all making a fuss and crying "BIG BROTHER" about this thing. All it records is vehicle speed, time, distance driven (calculated from time/speed data) and frequency of "hard" braking. It is not watching where you are.

This device does not know *where* you drive.

It doesn't know what the speed limit is or if you are exceeding it.

They will not use ANY data from this device to determine your insurance rate if you cancel... so using this will not raise your rates.

They cannot use data from the device to resolve a claim unless you give them permission. So this device can help you in a claim, but it cannot hurt you.

You have it on your car for 30 days and then remove it. It isn't on there perpetually.


So.... can someone tell me what the big fuss is about? If my insurance company offered this, I would do it. I literally see absolutely nothing wrong with this.

And to those who think this is just the first step towards this being a law-mandated thing: who cares? If these were installed on every person's car, the rates that auto insurers charge would be MUCH more fair than they are presently. Think about it... aside from personal history, premiums are based on statistics -- it's one big generalization clusterfuck. They lump you together with other people "like" you and assume that you drive how they do. So a young male that drives 3 miles to and from work and is actually a good, defensive driver gets charged the same as the terrible, aggressive ass hole that is on the road 100 miles a day. That's not fair, right? Well, if the insurance company had actual data about each person's driving, they would charge premiums accordingly. And realistically, you can tell a TON about a person's risk of collision with very simple data (mileage/time of day and a two-axis accelerometer would paint a pretty damn good picture).


So once again, what's the big deal?