Any Vegans on the board?

[Grand525]

As long as it's nutritious, delicious and cheap I'm all for it, either vegan food or not :)

[squidmaster]

Veaganism is the root of all evil...


plus is killing the economy (Calf farmers and chicken faremrs are one of our biggest incomes os the US)

again untrue. the US subsidizes nearly all meat prices.

read this for further, factual information.

http://theinformedvegan.com/post/3186697245/federal-subsidies-for-meat0and0dairy-mcdonalds

it takes more farmers to work non-animal farms, and they take less room, use less water, and destroy less of our environment than animal farms.

60% of the cut-down rainforest has gone toward animal farming.

Everyone from George Clooney to President Obama have urged a vegan diet. That's not even including the UN, ellen degeneres, porcia de rossi, well just google it, bruh, instead of spewing "truthiness" everywhere.

[Grand525]

Is it true or just stereotype that the vast majority of lesbians and bi-girls are vegan?

[squidmaster]

That's not true at all. You have no idea what you're talking about.

In short, proteins are made of amino acids. There are many different types of amino acids, some of which your body can make on its own and some that can only be had from food.
The protein in different kinds of food are made of different concentrations of amino acids. For example, chicken might have a high concentration of one kind of amino acid and cheese might have a lower concentration of that amino acid.
It's best to have a varied diet (which contains several different sources of protein) to get all the amino acids your body needs.

Except that animal proteins are bad for you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/on-cancer-and-a-vegetaria_b_46661.html

Read that all.

Oh, and
"Diets that are rich in protein, especially animal protein,7 are known to cause people to excrete more calcium than normal through their urine and increase the risk of osteoporosis."

http://www.soystache.com/sources_of_protein.htm

[F34R]

wait wut, where are you getting this from?

His ass

[priapism]

untrue. humans didn't start developing civilizations or communities or even much of a language before sustained and stationary vegetable/fruit/legume farming. any anthropology major will back me up.

True, but our bodies evolved mostly before the invention of stationary farming. We evolved as hunter-gatherers. The paleo diet is a big movement right now, and I think they're on to something.

[RobertK]

Definitely your pre-vegan diet.

Veganism is actually pretty harmful to you if you arent doing it right.

Organic consumerism is more healthy however.

There is a reason humans eat animals and have been for hundreds of thousands of years.

Wrong

+100 you need meat protein, it's how our species developed.

Wrong

sounds like your diet before wasn't the greatest, and you need meat protien. it has vitamins and nutrients in it that other protiens don't offer.

WRONG

I don't know what I'm talking about just my sister is nutritionist LOL. If you want to be a vegan that's fine to be physically weak if that's your thing just don't get mad when you can't defend yourself or fall down and break your hip.

LOL! Most nutritionists are taught what Doctors are taught.. How to feed old people just enough garbage in nursing homes to keep them alive.

I am Pro-Meat, and although I am NOT a Nutritional expert, you can in no way convince me that a vegan diet/religion is healthier for anyone. sorry.

if it was right, we would have evolved to be Vegan.

we didn't.

Another Wrong.

Eating lots of soy protein will increase your estrogen levels and will to an extent, decrease your test levels. Just thought you might want to know that. Have you thought about decreasing your red meat, but increasing your intake of fish and chicken instead?

This is somewhat true but it doesn't increase estrogen levels, it contains a chemical that mimics it in the body. While soy is good for you its not something I would consume in every meal.


Truth is our bodies are designed PRIMARILY for consuming and digesting VEGETABLES but evolved to able to process animals when vegetables are not readily available.

This "if you don't eat meat where do you get your protein?" nonsense gets me every time. Mass is not created nor destroyed so where the hell do you think animals get protein from to build the muscles you end up consuming? Mostly from GREEN GRASS AND GRAINS.

When you're eating meat you're eating a second hand protein.

There are many vegetables that contain different kinds of proteins and all have plenty enough to supply our bodies.

I'm a 95% vegan, 5% seldom occasional meat eater (mostly chicken and/or fish). I consume meat maybe 4 meals in a month. The rest are vegetable based.

If you've met me in person you know I'm far from looking or being unhealthy and I certainly didn't beat cancer eating what my doctor said was ok to eat. Truth is most health professionals don't have the slightest clue about nutrition.

http://www.tpsiclients.com/chowpatti/vegetarianism.html

http://www.healthyvegetarian.org/vegmyths.html

[VinniE30]

That's not true at all. You have no idea what you're talking about.

In short, proteins are made of amino acids. There are many different types of amino acids, some of which your body can make on its own and some that can only be had from food.
The protein in different kinds of food are made of different concentrations of amino acids. For example, chicken might have a high concentration of one kind of amino acid and cheese might have a lower concentration of that amino acid.
It's best to have a varied diet (which contains several different sources of protein) to get all the amino acids your body needs.

Except that animal proteins are bad for you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/on-cancer-and-a-vegetaria_b_46661.html

Read that all.

Oh, and
"Diets that are rich in protein, especially animal protein,7 are known to cause people to excrete more calcium than normal through their urine and increase the risk of osteoporosis."
http://www.soystache.com/sources_of_protein.htm

Did you even read what I said or what it was a response to? You didn't contradict anything I said.

And in response to the first article - that is one person's opinion. She tries to link meat consumption to and increased risks of cancer. The vague logic behind it was chickens being fed arsenic and increased cholesterol for people that eat meat. This has more to do with getting bad quality chicken and an overall unhealthy diet. If you have high cholesterol then it's a problem with your overall diet which needs to be changed. Meat itself is not bad but like everything it should be eaten in moderation.
Like I said in the post you quoted, it's best to have a varied diet. That applies to being either regular people or vegetarians but IMO, vegetarians are more likely to have less of a varied diet since they are restricting themselves to only non-meat foods. If I go out to eat I can choose anything on the menu, not so with someone restricting themselves to only things that don't contain meat.

On the second article, that supports what I was saying about not all protein being the same in terms of amino acids in response to the statement "protein is protien".
The only bad things it was saying about meat they were basing on increased calcium consumption which is interesting since their chart lists the meat as having way less calcium than most of everything else on there.

To summarize my opinion on the topic - it is that the key to being healthy is a varied diet of all natural foods. Varied meaning a balanced diet from all food groups - grains, vegetables, fruits, meat, dairy, etc... And know what to eat in moderation. But excluding all meat all together is not the answer.

[evandael]

But excluding all meat all together is not the answer.

for you, perhaps. meat is not a necessary part of the human diet. i've been vegetarian for 6 years and suffer no ill effects, in fact, i personally am better off.

[VinniE30]

I never said it's impossible to have a healthy diet without meat.
It's certainly possible to get your body's protein needs without meat. But it's more difficult and unnecessary to exclude it.
Why restrict yourself to only non-meat foods? You're missing out on a lot of good food and you're going to need to find other foods to get the protein from that you might not normally eat regularly. You're not going to be any healthier unless you had an unbalanced to begin with or were just eating way too much meat. If you're that concerned with your diet then just eat it in moderation, no good reason to completely exclude it.

[Thizzelle]

Eating lots of soy protein will increase your estrogen levels and will to an extent, decrease your test levels. Just thought you might want to know that. Have you thought about decreasing your red meat, but increasing your intake of fish and chicken instead?

also been studies on this where men have sterilized themselfs from drinking and eating soy.

[squidmaster]

also been studies on this where men have sterilized themselfs from drinking and eating soy.

Since this is so well documented could you link us to the paper?

[drumad]

Came in here expecting a dick measuring contest and wasn't disappointed.

I follow a keto lifestyle and none of my diet practices would fit in well with any of you.

[z31maniac]

Started eating mostly vegetarian, not vegan, a few months ago. Occasionally will grill a piece of salmon at the house, and now usually only eat meat when we go out for dinner.

Feel better, it's cheaper, etc.

[squidmaster]

Did you even read what I said or what it was a response to? You didn't contradict anything I said.

And in response to the first article - that is one person's opinion. She tries to link meat consumption to and increased risks of cancer. The vague logic behind it was chickens being fed arsenic and increased cholesterol for people that eat meat. This has more to do with getting bad quality chicken and an overall unhealthy diet. If you have high cholesterol then it's a problem with your overall diet which needs to be changed. Meat itself is not bad but like everything it should be eaten in moderation.
Like I said in the post you quoted, it's best to have a varied diet. That applies to being either regular people or vegetarians but IMO, vegetarians are more likely to have less of a varied diet since they are restricting themselves to only non-meat foods. If I go out to eat I can choose anything on the menu, not so with someone restricting themselves to only things that don't contain meat.

On the second article, that supports what I was saying about not all protein being the same in terms of amino acids in response to the statement "protein is protien".
The only bad things it was saying about meat they were basing on increased calcium consumption which is interesting since their chart lists the meat as having way less calcium than most of everything else on there.

To summarize my opinion on the topic - it is that the key to being healthy is a varied diet of all natural foods. Varied meaning a balanced diet from all food groups - grains, vegetables, fruits, meat, dairy, etc... And know what to eat in moderation. But excluding all meat all together is not the answer.

I contradicted what you said when you said that eating a balanced diet [including animal proteins] is the healthier choice. Other than that, I agree that proteins and their formation are completely different. Protein isn't a single type of chemical; it's a grouping.