Any Vegans on the board?

[joshh]

The problem is that most people {in the US} who include meat in their diet believe that a balanced diet must include a large portion of meat with every meal. If it were largely based on genetics then obese people would have existed in large quantities 100 years ago. Genetics is largely a cop out for people who want an excuse for their poor eating habits. The Biggest Loser pretty much proves that.

Also the misconception of a "vegan diet with added protein" is that EVERYTHING you eat animal based or vegetable has protein in it. There is a general misconception that meat is the only good source of protein which is a crock of shit pandered to the general public long ago by the farming industry via USDA. No different that the bullshit milk ads.

Matter of fact the notion that protein is so important you must ingest large quantities is ignorant considering that protein deficiency doesn't even exist in 3rd world countries much less here in the states.

You can run around in circles all fucking day if you like. Vegans are no healthier than a person on a good balanced diet (including animal products).

[RobertK]

You can run around in circles all fucking day if you like. Vegans are no healthier than a person on a good balanced diet (including animal products).

1. If you're going to make such claims at least present something to back them up.

2. 95% of the population that consumes meat on a daily basis does not do so on a "balanced diet" if anything they consume mostly animal product and think that the lettuce and tomato on their burger constitutes a serving of vegetables.

3. I'll put my cholesterol numbers up against a daily meat eater any day of the week.

Vegetarians suffer fewer heart attacks than meat eaters. Interestingly, this benefit dissipates as vegetarians age. One study showed that vegetarians under the age of 65 were 45% less like to suffer a heart attack than were meat eaters. Once vegetarians reached the age of 80, however, their heart attack risk was only 8% lower than that of meat eaters.

Two studies of people who consumed very little meat showed an average life-span increase of 3.6 years.

A huge study of Seventh Day Adventists who ate little or no meat showed longevity increases of 7.28 years in men and 4.42 years in women. These data are confounded by the fact that Seventh Day Adventists follow healthy lifestyles free of tobacco and alcohol.

Studies suggest that the longevity benefits conferred by a vegetarian diet dissipate as humans enter their ninth decade. This implies that while vegetarian diets reduce disease risk, restricting one’s diet to only plant foods does not completely protect against the effects of aging.

The same report showed that societies with plant-based diets are more likely to live past 70 years of age.

Quoted from the peer reviewed American Journal of Clinical Nutrition - http://www.ajcn.org/content/78/3/526S.full

And there's a bajillion articles posted that provide solid proof that people who consume animal products (mainly meat & dairy) with every meal have a higher rates of heart disease, diabetes, and cancer.

Posting your own opinion all day doesn't mean jack shit if you can't take the time to find resources to back it up. All you're doing is continuing to spread misinformation.

[HarryPotter]

The problem is that most people {in the US} who include meat in their diet believe that a balanced diet must include a large portion of meat with every meal. If it were largely based on genetics then obese people would have existed in large quantities 100 years ago. Genetics is largely a cop out for people who want an excuse for their poor eating habits. The Biggest Loser pretty much proves that.

Also the misconception of a "vegan diet with added protein" is that EVERYTHING you eat animal based or vegetable has protein in it. There is a general misconception that meat is the only good source of protein which is a crock of shit pandered to the general public long ago by the farming industry via USDA. No different that the bullshit milk ads.

Matter of fact the notion that protein is so important you must ingest large quantities is ignorant considering that protein deficiency doesn't even exist in 3rd world countries much less here in the states.

Really? So MOST people in the US are eating large portions of meat products for breakfast and lunch? Sheesh... I didn't know cereal and pbnj's were loaded with secret stashes of meat. Must be from obamas stash. Along with lunches. Salads, and sandwiches? I guess my reasonable sized sandwich contains a LARGE portion of meat. 4 slices of cold cuts is overkill aint it? Who the fuck really eats as much meat as your claiming MOST people do. You're full of shit.

[Hybrid For Life]

Nice juicy steak. Yummmmm

[drumad]

3. I'll put my cholesterol numbers up against a daily meat eater any day of the week.

Just to be clear, I'm not attacking you or anything, ok? I'm curious myself and it can probably add to this conversation.

For the sake of this convo, I'm willing to post my numbers up whenever I finally get them checked and compare them to yours? I've only been doing this keto lifestyle since early February however, so my results may not be as thorough as yours may be since I believe you've been following your life style for a much longer time. I eat meat and cheese pretty much everyday so it may be something of interest.

[Ryan Stewart]

I think this was tackled in the link I posted earlier but that is not true. Human's were never a carnivorous animal and the incisors we have are former remnants of the ones we developed originally for defense. There are many natural herbivores that have incisors bigger than ours.

Furthermore we have COLOR vision whereas many carnivores are colorblind. This is to help us identify fruits and vegetables in the wild (for flavor and nutrients). The colors not only help find them but also to attract us to them. In the wild it was beneficial for the plant to attract animals to eat the fruits and veggies because most animals cannot digest the see thus once digested our poo would help spread the seeds.

No it wasnt and your concept of color vision being evidence of being a herbivore is way off.

[nando]

color blind doesn't mean you see in black and white. it means you have a harder time distinguishing between different colors - i.e. red and green look the same.

also, if us being able to see "full" color is evidence of being plant eaters - uhm, lots of plant eating animals are color blind, and animals with much better vision (lions, tigers, etc) eat meat. that's a pretty flimsy correlation.

that, and men definitely evolved to hunt - stamina, reflexes, strength, etc. you don't need that to gather berries and roots.

[priapism]

So much misinformation in here. Of course if I try to participate I get screamed at for the sins of every carnivore around me, so that ain't happening again.

Go read "The Zone" by Barry Sears.

BTW I spent the last week as a vegetarian, just to see how it was. Because I'm so fucking closed minded, amIrite?

[herbivor]

Just to be clear, I'm not attacking you or anything, ok? I'm curious myself and it can probably add to this conversation.

For the sake of this convo, I'm willing to post my numbers up whenever I finally get them checked and compare them to yours? I've only been doing this keto lifestyle since early February however, so my results may not be as thorough as yours may be since I believe you've been following your life style for a much longer time. I eat meat and cheese pretty much everyday so it may be something of interest.

Total cholesterol numbers means nothing. Mine has been a steady 275 to 300 my whole life regardless of diet. There are many other indicators that are better that the majority of people won't understand. And even if they do, you can debate each test all day long. As long as you feel healthy, look healthy, and all your tests show that you are reasonable healthy than really there is no reason to change. Diet is only one of several practices for liviing a long and healthy life. .But most centenarians eat low calorie diets with much fewer than average meat portions.

[joshh]

1. If you're going to make such claims at least present something to back them up.

2. 95% of the population that consumes meat on a daily basis does not do so on a "balanced diet" if anything they consume mostly animal product and think that the lettuce and tomato on their burger constitutes a serving of vegetables.

3. I'll put my cholesterol numbers up against a daily meat eater any day of the week.



Quoted from the peer reviewed American Journal of Clinical Nutrition - http://www.ajcn.org/content/78/3/526S.full

And there's a bajillion articles posted that provide solid proof that people who consume animal products (mainly meat & dairy) with every meal have a higher rates of heart disease, diabetes, and cancer.

Posting your own opinion all day doesn't mean jack shit if you can't take the time to find resources to back it up. All you're doing is continuing to spread misinformation.

So you're twisting what I said to fit your argument. That's pretty typical.
Do you know what a balanced diet is?
It doesn't mean you eat meat every fucking meal for Christ's sake.

http://health.ninemsn.com.au/dietandnutrition/nutrition/695434/meat-versus-a-vegetarian-diet

http://www.everydayhealth.com/anemia/anemia-risk-for-vegans-and-vegetarians.aspx

A balanced diet...

http://www.webmd.com/diet/tc/eat-a-balanced-diet-for-mental-health-topic-overview

You can be unhealthy as a vegan if you're not eating right just like the guy that pigs out on meat all weak and eats no greens will typically be unhealthy. Being a vegan does not equal health.


And your comments regarding protein...

http://missclasses.com/mp3s/Prize%20CD%202010/Previous%20years/Wrist%20fractures/epic.pdf

[HarryPotter]

So you're twisting what I said to fit your argument. That's pretty typical.
Do you know what a balanced diet is?
It doesn't mean you eat meat every fucking meal for Christ's sake.

http://health.ninemsn.com.au/dietandnutrition/nutrition/695434/meat-versus-a-vegetarian-diet

http://www.everydayhealth.com/anemia/anemia-risk-for-vegans-and-vegetarians.aspx

A balanced diet...

http://www.webmd.com/diet/tc/eat-a-balanced-diet-for-mental-health-topic-overview

You can be unhealthy as a vegan if you're not eating right just like the guy that pigs out on meat all weak and eats no greens will typically be unhealthy. Being a vegan does not equal health.


And about your protein comments...
http://missclasses.com/mp3s/Prize%20...tures/epic.pdf

These "vegans" seem to think us savages eat a 16 oz steak for every meal and even at snack time!!! These couple guys in here trying to show how much better they are at life than everyone else are just making asses out of themselves.

[der affe]

What is wrong with a 1 1/2 lb steak....yummmy, blood rare please.

[Victell]

God gave us humans free will. Spread your seed or mate for life? Live alone or with others in groups? Vegetarian, carnivore, omnivore? Follow animal instinct or choose a different path? Live or commit suicide?

[Snitch]

even if being a vegan or vegetarian is healthier. Have fun being a half inch stick for the rest of your life.

[Dermeister3]

even if being a vegan or vegetarian is healthier. Have fun being a half inch stick for the rest of your life.

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