Any Vegans on the board?

[Swanny]

Chia seed supplements...anyone try this out yet?

[squidmaster]

Anyone tried spirulina supplements? 57.47 g protein per 100 g serving. I drink a few drinks that contain it, but never actually tried the supplement (I think you can get it in powder form as well for mixing).

"Spirulina contains 334% more protein than beef, 475% more calcium than whole milk, 5756% more iron than spinach, and is a rich source of B-complex vitamins, containing 118% more B12 than raw beef liver."

It's also a complete protein.

[RobertK]

RobertK, Last I checked, humans fit quite well into the omnivore category. (http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm "There are a number of popular myths about vegetarianism that have no scientific basis in fact. One of these myths is that man is naturally a vegetarian because our bodies resemble plant eaters, not carnivores. In fact we are omnivores, capable of either eating meat or plant foods. The following addresses the unscientific theory of man being only a plant eater.") A "well balanced" diet would consist of fruits, nuts, vegetables, some grains, and a bit of meat here and there.

When I told my doctor about my meat intake (he asked), he looked a little concerned, ran bloodwork, and told me to keep doing whatever it is I'm doing when the numbers came back..

Based on pH levels though our bodies are much closure to herbivores than carnivores and since what you eat can heavily dictate your pH levels that's why I intend to stick to the 95/5 rule in my diet.

Aside from that most typical blood work tests tell very little about health other than cells counts that a computer spits out and tells the doctor if anything is abnormal.. When I found my first swollen lymph node I had 6 blood test over 3 months and was told "everything looks great just take these antibiotics" only to be told later "well Mr. Kadunce, looks like you were right, you DO have cancer.. guess we should have done that biopsy earlier."

Doctor's are glorified people mechanics and just like auto mechanics its hard to come across one that really gives a shit. Most are really good at putting on a show and getting you out the door. The sooner you become your own health advocate first the better. I've dealt with enough that I cut out the bullshit and tell them exactly how I feel about anything they say. If they don't like it they get fired.

One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make the bones with;" and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying himself with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle. ~Henry David Thoreau

I love pointing this out to people because that's one of the biggest myths about diary... "If you don't consume dairy WHERE will you get calcium from?!?!".. "The same place the cows get it from." Then you see the light bulb flicker.

Vegans still get cancer. Every argument for a vegan diet is invalid.

Love the bullshit comments with no real source of research or information.

Everyone can get cancer because there are multiple variables that can cause cell mutation.

Yet the research and numbers speak for themselves. The first step to fighting cancer is prevention.

http://vegsource.com/harris/cancer_vegdiet.htm

[squidmaster]

As far as the hunter thing, I posted a link about it in a past post or something. I mean, humans weren't huge, predators with claws or a means of attack until the development of tools, which wasn't a long period between tools and stagnant agriculture. quote]

Bullshit. here's a small excerpt of an scholarly paper you should read. i guess you must be too young to have heard of Dr. Leakey.

notice also the idea of Neanderthal as 2.5 million years ago is corrected.

a link to the entire paper is provided below. oh, wait, only vegans have the brains/integrity to footnote their posts.

The oldest recognizable tools made by members of the family of man are simple stone choppers, such as those discovered at Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania. These tools may have been made over 1 million years ago by Australopithecus, ancestor of modern man



http://history-world.org/stone_age.htm

I just have a few quips about tools and development.
"the first appearance of man as a tool-using mammal, which is believed to have occurred about 600,000 or 700,000 years ago"

There were fractured stones found about 1mil years ago, but "Fractured stones called eoliths have been considered the earliest tools, but it is impossible to distinguish man-made from naturally produced modifications in such stones." And even at that, these small stones wouldn't (and couldn't) be used to hunt game. It wasn't until a few hundred thousand years later that humans began developing actual tools and subsequently started fishing, hunting larger game, and propositioning crops.

I'm not, and never, said that humans never ate meat. What I am stating is that evidence builds toward early homo (neanderthalensis) were more of foragers and scavengers. Is that to say they didn't catch game ever? No. It would have, however, been small game along with bugs and reptiles, and sometimes fish.

It also talks about the first time that altatl were featured (spearmen), and that was in the upper paleolithic period which began 195k years ago. It also seems, from reading the article, that fish and shellfish were a much more popular eat, especially for communities that formed near water (which apparently quite a few did).

Definitely an interesting read! Thanks for the link

[Swanny]

[u3b3rg33k]

This thread:

[herbivor]

One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make the bones with;" and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying himself with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle. ~Henry David Thoreau

[gwb72tii]

cut the carbs and increase the fat, endure the carb flu then see the energy you experience

there's more to it than carbs vs fat
wheat products, along with dairy products are inflammatory in your system

[OniKyan]

Vegans still get cancer. Every argument for a vegan diet is invalid.


Just look at this.

[RobertK]

do vegan chicks still eat dick?

My wife loves tube steak.

[Joe G]

do vegan chicks still eat dick?

[RobertK]

As for what is intended, the binocular vision and incisors point to a diet that included prey.

I think this was tackled in the link I posted earlier but that is not true. Human's were never a carnivorous animal and the incisors we have are former remnants of the ones we developed originally for defense. There are many natural herbivores that have incisors bigger than ours.

Furthermore we have COLOR vision whereas many carnivores are colorblind. This is to help us identify fruits and vegetables in the wild (for flavor and nutrients). The colors not only help find them but also to attract us to them. In the wild it was beneficial for the plant to attract animals to eat the fruits and veggies because most animals cannot digest the see thus once digested our poo would help spread the seeds.

humans are omnivores. part of our success as a species is our adaptability. no other species of animal on this planet can make a home above the artic circle and on the equator. i would hope you realize that Aleut populations couldn't survive without a mostly animal protein diet. no choice to be a vegan for them.

Of course those people who choose to live in such climates don't have it that great.

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/diet-myths-do-primitive-peoples-really-live-longer.html

Inuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on the average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer than the overall Canadian population.1…

to sum up- i couldn't care less what you eat. you can even keep your effete snobbery over your diet.

just don't twist the facts to support your position.

None of my facts are twisted.. As a matter of fact I've yet to see any real sources of information to back up the latter.

Most bodybuilders will say a minimum of 1 gram of protein / lb of body weight, many say 2 grams / lb, per day. 23 grams of protein is a snack, not a day for a BB'er.

Do you think you could get that kind of protein on a vegan diet?

These guys do.

http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/

and the protein myth..

Most bodybuilders will say a minimum of 1 gram of protein / lb of body weight, many say 2 grams / lb, per day. 23 grams of protein is a snack, not a day for a BB'er.

Do you think you could get that kind of protein on a vegan diet?

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/protein.html

We've all heard that plant protein is "incomplete" compared to meat protein, and that plant foods have to be carefully combined to make a "complete" protein. But that's just an urban legend that was never based on science. The American Dietetic Association abandoned that idea decades ago. Susan Havala Hobbs, Ph.D, R.D. describes how the ADA discarded the protein combining idea:

There was no basis for [protein combining] that I could see.... I began calling around and talking to people and asking them what the justification was for saying that you had to complement proteins, and there was none. And what I got instead was some interesting insight from people who were knowledgeable and actually felt that there was probably no need to complement proteins. So we went ahead and made that change in the paper. [The paper was approved by peer review and by a delegation vote before becoming official.] And it was a couple of years after that that Vernon Young and Peter Pellet published their paper that became the definitive contemporary guide to protein metabolism in humans. And it also confirmed that complementing proteins at meals was totally unnecessary.8.5

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And? It's pointless.
My wife is almost a vegetarian. Because she doesn't like meat very much. Not for "health reasons". Those who go on those diets who think it's healthier are kidding themselves. Or the information they are reading is slanted.
So yes it's a fucking fad because it's not cultural. If they are doing it because of they culture that's entirely different but still pointless nutritionally.

If you're going to post false information like this.. at least back it up

[imsotyerred]

Since your brain needs the glucose from the carbs for proper function, that does explain why most body builders/low carb types are dumbasses?

/troll

even tho joke, 4Srsly
ketosis, brother...ketosis

[drumad]

I cycle carbs in on a weekly basis so Iawklhasdldkcaswhargarblllderp

btw, ketones are used by the brain too

[z31maniac]

fuck the atkins diet or anything like it

Since your brain needs the glucose from the carbs for proper function, that does explain why most body builders/low carb types are dumbasses?

/troll