Any Vegans on the board?

[RobertK]

While I can agree that there are good point to eating vegie, I think a lot of peoples problems with meat eating can be blamed on the chemicals added to processed meats.

has anyone ever thought about blaming the over all sedentary life style that we have adopted being at least partially to blame for health woes? If you consume mass amoumts of meat and or vegitables, you must also expend the energy to burn them up.

You're absolutely right. Its a combination of rapid changes to the human culture that our bodies have not been able to evolve fast enough to compensate for.

Processed Junkfoods (Abundance of foods high in sugar, salt, and fat)
Over Consumption of Animal Products
Sedentary Lifestyle
Drinking everything EXCEPT water

Which is why diabetes, heart disease and cancer are rarely seen in 3rd world countries.

[imsotyerred]

QUOTE=Threehz


Dairy is a whole different story. Dairy is bad for you for a number of reasons. The fact that humans are naturally allergic to it should be one big sign. The fact that any animals' milk is intended for THAT animal's babies is another sign. Dairy products contain the same animal proteins that promote cancer as well.

Tell that to my 84 year old Uncle that could still out bench you and is STILL working the farm he owns. I am catching a pattern of internet intelligence that is related to eggs also being bad for you. Then they are the best, get in the media line kid. Eat that shit up


The absolute worst part of eating meat, especially beef, is the environmental impact. Cattle farming is destroying our forests, this deforestation is exterminating thousands of species (mainly from the rain forest, where most of the world's best medicine), consuming unimaginable amounts of resources (water, oil, electric), it is one of the largest emitters of methane (which contributes to the greenhouse effect 20 times more than CO2), and the list goes on and on.

We eat cows, thus reducing methane levels. You're welcome.

If the resources that are put into cattle farming were redirected to growing vegetables, world hunger would be solved. In fact, there would also be enough water for everyone in the world as well. The 884,000,000 people who do not have access to clean water would not have to worry anymore.

No one in Africa wants shitty veggies

I actually presented a Public Service Announcement today that I have been working on for a while. One of the most shocking facts I found during research was this:

If everyone living in the United States stopped eating beef for a year, the amount of water that would be saved (not used for cattle farming), is enough for every person living in the United States to have a healthy amount of drinking water (64 ounces or about two liters a day) for 250 years.

I would like to thank you for putting a dent in my meat intake.

Just thought I would share some of these facts because so many people are saying who cares about their health, steak is tasty! Well eating meat is fucking the entire planet over, on an incredibly scary level.

The earth is fine, just getting ready for the 1,000 year reign.

I'm no vegan but god damn you are dumb

[F34R]

I'm no vegan but god damn you are dumb

Pretty much half assed/trolled, thanks for playing.

You're response "Wrong" was to the comment that "Eating a vegan diet can provide you EVERYTHING you need to be healthy, there is a giant range of delicious foods and dishes that can be made, and there are so many ways that eating vegan can improve your life."

So please elaborate.

Cancer only one of many diseases that over consumption of animal products promotes. For most Americans its heart disease, diabetes, or some other form of cardiovascular failure.

Look at what most Americans eat everyday. Fast food is not meat, it is a bi-product. You know that, people are just plain out lazy to take the extra time to make homemade food that is both cost effective and healthy. I grow a garden with my family, hunt and fish for my food. Pretty much if I cannot grow, pole or shoot it I would have to buy it at the store. Even then I make sure it is good for me, costing more does not matter if it is not processed.

"Wrong" was too short of a comment, I should have elaborated a bit more.

Here is what I ate today:

Breakfast:
Two oranges, two eggs and a half a fist of fresh ground pork. 3 glasses of water.

Lunch:
Homemade pizza with mushrooms, two cups of 7up.

Dinner:
Red potatos mashed with the skins, homemade biscuits with ground beef and steamed carrots, green beans and peas. Frozen from last season. Black tea with lemon and honey.

[RobertK]

Pretty much half assed/trolled, thanks for playing.



Look at what most Americans eat everyday. Fast food is not meat, it is a bi-product. You know that, people are just plain out lazy to take the extra time to make homemade food that is both cost effective and healthy. I grow a garden with my family, hunt and fish for my food. Pretty much if I cannot grow, pole or shoot it I would have to buy it at the store. Even then I make sure it is good for me, costing more does not matter if it is not processed.

"Wrong" was too short of a comment, I should have elaborated a bit more.

Here is what I ate today:

Breakfast:
Two oranges, two eggs and a half a fist of fresh ground pork. 3 glasses of water.

Lunch:
Homemade pizza with mushrooms, two cups of 7up.

Dinner:
Red potatos mashed with the skins, homemade biscuits with ground beef and steamed carrots, green beans and peas. Frozen from last season. Black tea with lemon and honey.

What YOU ate today still doesn't answer why you said "Eating a vegan diet can provide you EVERYTHING you need to be healthy, there is a giant range of delicious foods and dishes that can be made, and there are so many ways that eating vegan can improve your life." is wrong.

His comment wasn't that it was the ONLY way but rather that a vegan diet can provide you with all the sustenance you need to live a healthy life.

[dashboardmonkey]

[750]

A few years back when the news started to talk about the people around Loma Linda who were vegans, living a longer more healthy and happy life. I started to eat more vegetables, less meat. I am about 90% there, I go weeks at a time with out meat.

[Threehz]

I made a mistake in one of my posts earlier, thanks to F34R's silly comments I noticed it.

I said:

I actually presented a Public Service Announcement today that I have been working on for a while. One of the most shocking facts I found during research was this:

If everyone living in the United States stopped eating beef for a year, the amount of water that would be saved (not used for cattle farming), is enough for every person living in the United States to have a healthy amount of drinking water (64 ounces or about two liters a day) for 250 years.

When I said it was enough for everyone in the United States, that was wrong. It would be enough for all 7+ billion people on planet earth for 250 years.

F34R, most of your comments aren't even contradictory to mine, just cute little comebacks.

I'm sure your uncle can out-bench me if he works on a farm, does that mean he knows if dairy is bad for him?

I've been to upstate NY, it's beautiful up there, I'm sure the fish and game you catch is delicious, I'm all for bow hunting, fishing, and survivalist trapping. Does it mean that it's good for you? Does it mean that the elk doesn't have Bovine spongiform encephalopathy? Does it mean the fish isn't full of mercury?

The earth is not fine, not at all. That's a whole different story that I'm sure you are too ignorant to care about.

Also, I too would like to hear you elaborate on how eating a healthy vegan diet is wrong.

I ignored replying to your responses that were just too ignorant...

F34R, in your "what I ate today" post, that's not bad except for the 7up, and fistful of pork.

[priapism]

To be clear, it's not a lack of food that makes people starve. We've got plenty of food on the planet. It's generally a lack of ability to get that food to places where it's needed. No, I don't have the stats to back that up but I've read it over and over. The fact that there's more water in the central valley doesn't mean the kids in rural Indonesian villages will have it.

Also, the hunter / gatherer diet that we evolved on involved mostly meat and wild-grown plants. It wasn't until the middle ages when meat became a delicacy. Ancient man was 6' tall, man of the middle ages was about 5'4. Look at old suits of armor--they're tiny. The men that started the French revolution sounded like 12 year old boys.

I would like to eat less meat in general. I did a cleanse a while back, can't find the kit I used anymore, so I was thinking of going Vegan for a week to see what happens. Honestly with my hopeless sugar addiction I think that would be harder than simply not eating for a few days.

Interesting discussion.

[Ryan Stewart]

Laughing at the comments. My wife and I have been vegan for 20 years. My wife has her degree in health and nutrition. I wont debate this on a forum, but I just wanted to say that ill informed people with opinions make me laugh. Knowing almost nothing on a subject never seems to stop people from giving their two cents. Keep up the "people need to eat meat crap" cause its making my day.

btw...we have three kids (18, 17, 13) all of whom are very healthy.

The "without doing it properly" part was pretty clear. No single non-animal source can give you a true, complete protien. Its why many people who give up meat run into issues (or end up gaining weight). You need to plan a few specific combinations to make sure you are getting a complete protien. Its one of the chemical triggers to being "full."

As for what is intended, the binocular vision and incisors point to a diet that included prey.

[squidmaster]

Soy protein for working out:

"A review of the research into soy consumption for health purposes, uncovered many benefits.

1. Soy protein has a 1.0 PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid score) score - the highest possible. The PDCAAS is the standard measurement of protein quality.
2. Soy protein increases the nutritional value of other foods due to its complete amino acid profile.
3. Soy has been shown to reduce the likelihood of heart disease through its ability to lower cholesterol. Results from a meta-analysis of 38 clinical studies concluded that soy protein consumption may help lower total blood cholesterol and LDL-cholesterol as compared to animal protein consumption.
4. In 1999, the FDA determined that four-servings of soy protein per-day could reduce LDL cholesterol (the bad type, HDL being the good) by up to 10%.
   
5. Although soy helps to lower LDL, it doesn't effect HDL status, which is also a good thing. The American Heart Association also recommends the consumption of soy protein (with naturally occurring isoflavones) as part of a heart-healthy diet for those with elevated total and LDL cholesterol.
   
6. Soy protein is also thought to reduce the risk of other illnesses such as colon, breast and prostate cancer, as well as osteoporosis. Research has shown several bioactive compounds found in soybeans (isoflavones being one) to reduce the risk of certain cancers.
7. Soy enhances athletic performance. The isoflavones found in soy protein produce antioxidant effects, which speed recovery and reduce muscle soreness and inflammation.
   In addition, soy does supply a full complement of amino acids for the exercising muscles - muscles will become larger and stronger with soy protein. In fact, athletes who incorporate both soy and whey protein in their nutritional regimens may benefit from their different rates of digestion and amino acid absorption.
8. Cost: one of the biggest benefits to the consumer is the considerable reduction in cost, using soy will present. With whey protein costs soaring, soy might prove to be much less expensive (around two-dollars-per-pound less).
9. Beneficial for women's health. Consuming soy protein has a number of benefits unique to women's health, including the alleviation of symptoms associated with menopause, the protection of bone health and the a reduction of the risk of breast cancer.

"

Many people still recommend a whey and soy mixture for workouts, but quite a few say soy is better.

[herbivor]

^ I'm a big fan of Garden of Eden's "Raw Protein" for working out. The amino acid profile and digestibility I think is superior to that of any other protein powder out there. I don't think it includes soy. I'm not a huge fan of eating a lot of any one food including soy, and especially soy isolates. It's easy to become a junk food vegan if you rely heavily on soy.

[imsotyerred]

^ I'm a big fan of Garden of Eden's "Raw Protein" for working out. The amino acid profile and digestibility I think is superior to that of any other protein powder out there. I don't think it includes soy. I'm not a huge fan of eating a lot of any one food including soy, and especially soy isolates. It's easy to become a junk food vegan if you rely heavily on soy.

also soy is all GMO, no bueno

Personally, I'm a meat eater, I fucking love meat. That being said, a vegetarian diet is amazing if you have the space to grow your own veggies. Unfortunately I can not, nor can I afford to buy the amount of veggies I would need on a daily basis. The best I can do on my budget is take advantage of every salad bar that I can.

Limiting meat is great for you. Also, If we devoted as much land to growing vegetables and grains for humans as we do to raise livestock(incl. food for livestock) It would be truly revolutionary. There is such an incredible amount of very fertile soil in North America that is wasted.

And, when it comes to working out and gettin'uge, I'm talking real bodybuilding not just health related fitness, there is no substitute for meat. sorry vegans. (that is not to say that one can't build muscle with a vege diet, however)

If I had the budget to do so, these would be my priorities:
Whole grain/long grain rice/orzo/cous cous/quinoa - Fiber, carbohydrates, some protein
lots of colorful veggies - peppers, broccoli, asparagus, Kale/mustard greens, collard greens, leeks, carrots, spinach spinach spinach, tomatoes, etc. - Fiber, vitamins/minerals, phytochemicals, strong poops
fruits - whatever is in season....blue/black/raspberries, oranges, bananas, apples, pineapple, watermelon etc. - sugar, vitamins/minerals, tasty as shit
beans/legumes/nuts - the more variety and color, the better - Fiber, carbohydrates, protein, fat. This category includes peanuts and such.
meats - mostly chicken, lamb, some beef - I love grilling
I rarely snack so no sweets for me

All as organic/natural as I can get. To drink, I choose water, beer, and wine

[Stanley Rockafella]

And, when it comes to working out and gettin'uge, I'm talking real bodybuilding not just health related fitness, there is no substitute for meat. sorry vegans.

I disagree

I am the same weight with the same muscle mass now, as I was when I was a meat eater. Workouts are also easier as I feel more energetic. I have more energy from the food supplying my muscles as opposed to aiding my body in the digestion of meats.

According to my weight, I am supposed to consume about 23 grams of protein per day. I am easily at about double of that with the consumption of things like chic peas (awesome snack when grilled and seasoned with chilli pepper and Mrs. Dash).

[brainspo0n]

a diet where you eat healthier than you did before is relatively healthy?

WHO KNEW

[2761377]

MYTH: "Humans were designed to eat meat."

where in any of my posts on this topic did i claim this? or espouse 'hate' for vegans? or berate the contributions of women in human history?

if you got those ideas from my words you have misunderstood. probably intentionally. as to be expected when core values are questioned.

humans are omnivores. part of our success as a species is our adaptability. no other species of animal on this planet can make a home above the artic circle and on the equator. i would hope you realize that Aleut populations couldn't survive without a mostly animal protein diet. no choice to be a vegan for them.

whether or not a vegan diet means less money out of your pocket is immaterial. the u.s. as a whole is richer than practically anywhere else in the world. that wealth enables vegans to choose a lifestyle where food becomes a choice of the conscience. try telling people who have to eat rice and/or beans everyday because of poverty that their diet is healthier without meat.

lastly, the onset of agriculture societies led to advanced civilizations through increased time for non-subsistence activities. and it wasn't just about planting crops- animal husbandry was just as important.

to sum up- i couldn't care less what you eat. you can even keep your effete snobbery over your diet.

just don't twist the facts to support your position.


hth
robert w.