Any Vegans on the board?

[priapism]

I disagree

I am the same weight with the same muscle mass now, as I was when I was a meat eater. Workouts are also easier as I feel more energetic. I have more energy from the food supplying my muscles as opposed to aiding my body in the digestion of meats.

According to my weight, I am supposed to consume about 23 grams of protein per day. I am easily at about double of that with the consumption of things like chic peas (awesome snack when grilled and seasoned with chilli pepper and Mrs. Dash).

Most bodybuilders will say a minimum of 1 gram of protein / lb of body weight, many say 2 grams / lb, per day. 23 grams of protein is a snack, not a day for a BB'er.

Do you think you could get that kind of protein on a vegan diet?

[z31maniac]

Most bodybuilders will say a minimum of 1 gram of protein / lb of body weight, many say 2 grams / lb, per day. 23 grams of protein is a snack, not a day for a BB'er.

Do you think you could get that kind of protein on a vegan diet?

For a body builder? Probably not.

For the average American, it's more than easy enough to get the recommended level of protein.


Quick example:

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm

[herbivor]

Most bodybuilders will say a minimum of 1 gram of protein / lb of body weight, many say 2 grams / lb, per day. 23 grams of protein is a snack, not a day for a BB'er.

Do you think you could get that kind of protein on a vegan diet?

http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/

[Stanley Rockafella]

For a body builder? Probably not.

For the average American, it's more than easy enough to get the recommended level of protein.


Quick example:

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm

I am far from the "average" american body builder. I am 150 lbs, 5'7.5" and have a 28 waist. Even when I tried to increase my protein intake to 2 grams per pound, I only went down in weight to 147 and didn't increase in size at all.

[joshh]

I've never understood the whole vegan thing unless you're allergic to something. It's a fad as far as I'm concerned.
Cutting out certain things I can understand but going vegan just to go vegan, whatever. All aboard the the Steve Irwin....

[z31maniac]

I am far from the "average" american body builder. I am 150 lbs, 5'7.5" and have a 28 waist. Even when I tried to increase my protein intake to 2 grams per pound, I only went down in weight to 147 and didn't increase in size at all.

I said average american, not average body builder.

[der affe]

Most bodybuilders will say a minimum of 1 gram of protein / lb of body weight, many say 2 grams / lb, per day. 23 grams of protein is a snack, not a day for a BB'er.

Do you think you could get that kind of protein on a vegan diet?

My non weight gainer whey protein is 52 grams per 2 scoop serving, for example.

[squidmaster]

I've never understood the whole vegan thing unless you're allergic to something. It's a fad as far as I'm concerned.
Cutting out certain things I can understand but going vegan just to go vegan, whatever. All aboard the the Steve Irwin....

A fad that's been practiced for a few thousand years. Right.

It's such a fad that the majority of indians are vegetarian (something over 60% of the country).

I just love how the only people offering information, sources, or facts are the vegans or vegan supporters here....

[imsotyerred]

I disagree

I am the same weight with the same muscle mass now, as I was when I was a meat eater. Workouts are also easier as I feel more energetic. I have more energy from the food supplying my muscles as opposed to aiding my body in the digestion of meats.

According to my weight, I am supposed to consume about 23 grams of protein per day. I am easily at about double of that with the consumption of things like chic peas (awesome snack when grilled and seasoned with chilli pepper and Mrs. Dash).

what guideline are you going by with 23g protein/day? just curious

guideline stated in my nutrition book sayeth 0.66g/kg bodyweight. are you a chinese trapese artist? 77 lbs is pretty small for a rough tough huge dude.

I don't doubt that you feel better/more energetic each day. I haven't ever gone full vegan so I can't fairly comment against it. I have done ovo/vegetarian for a bit and it felt fine but I can't help but think it's a placebo effect in that regard.

Again, I wasn't saying that you couldn't build/maintain muscle mass as a vege/vegan but one critical thing exists in meat that does not in veggies...natural creatine.

NOTE: i'm not advocating creatine powder supplementation. That shit may work for some people but i'm just not a fan of the idea. I'm an all natural kind of guy.

Creatine is critical to producing immense amounts of energy (ATP) very quickly which allows your muscles to contract forcefully and powerfully

EDIT: for the record, I'm 5'6. When I used whey protein powder (age 16) I would pop two heaping scoops into 16oz of water hitting me with roughly 60g of protein. this was once in the morning, once after my workout. did 6 days/week strength training, running/throwing around a lacrosse ball on Sunday - for one month straight. I also ate military academy-grade cafeteria food with, you betcha! plenty of chicken, beef, fish, tons of carbs. I only got up to about 150lb at 8-12% body fat. I stayed in great shape playing Lacrosse and Ultimate for the rest of highschool, probably about 5-7 hours per week all school year long, not really lifting much more...lots of plyometrics n such.

Freshman year of college I was working out a lot still but more like 6-12 hours of Ultimate(frisbee) practice/tournaments, 1 hour straight treadmill/bike, 3 hours of heavy lifting, and 3 hours of stretching/bodyweight/core exercises each week. Didn't supplement with whey protein at all but i used to spend a LOT of time in the dining hall eating eating eating. I got up to 170lbs <7% bodyfat in my prime. Gained more than I ever did using whey. Of course, this could be largely due to hormonal changes/finishing out puberty, dunno really. Alas, this was also during a wonderful time when I had 21 prepaid meals per week

/my experience using whey powder vs protein from food. do we have a bodybuilding/exercise/sports performance thread?

[VinniE30]

haha

[priapism]

A fad that's been practiced for a few thousand years. Right.

It's such a fad that the majority of indians are vegetarian (something over 60% of the country).

I just love how the only people offering information, sources, or facts are the vegans or vegan supporters here....

Am I on ignore?

[joshh]

A fad that's been practiced for a few thousand years. Right.

It's such a fad that the majority of indians are vegetarian (something over 60% of the country).

I just love how the only people offering information, sources, or facts are the vegans or vegan supporters here....

And? It's pointless.
My wife is almost a vegetarian. Because she doesn't like meat very much. Not for "health reasons". Those who go on those diets who think it's healthier are kidding themselves. Or the information they are reading is slanted.
So yes it's a fucking fad because it's not cultural. If they are doing it because of they culture that's entirely different but still pointless nutritionally.

[FunfGan]

I have only read part of this, but I have only 1 comment; bacon fucking rocks, leafs do not.

[HarryPotter]

http://zerotoherotv.com/blogs/entry/Monsanto-The-Seed-Monopoly-That-Caused-Genetically-Modified-Food-To-Start-Showing-Up-On-Nearly-Every-Dinner-Table-In-The-United-States

Yeah, you guys keep stuffing your faces with GMO foods. Oh you only buy organic? Well guess what. They are all monsanto seeds too, just without the pesticides. Almost all foods in the US are made with GMO seeds. The shit is terrible for you.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8148

The worst part of the vegan/vegetarian lifestyle is their fucking attitude towards people who eat meats. It's quite evident in this thread actually. Why you people think you're so fuckin high and mighty and on this massive pedestal is just absurd. You guys are even more annoying in real life.

So again keep stuffing your face with those fresh GMO fruits and veggies. Super healthy for ya. I'll keep eating whatever I want and not give a shit. You guys are just like atheists IMO. Act like they don't believe and shit yet they will rub one out while they talk down to anyone who doesn't follow their thought process.

Gah I hate vegans with a passion.

[squidmaster]

Am I on ignore?

idk I just checked back through the thread and not much of it, aside from the body building, was information. Mostly thoughts.

The thing about the ancient men being tall was rubbish.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/b/2004/01/21/how-tall-were-the-ancients.htm

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/medimen.htm

As far as the hunter thing, I posted a link about it in a past post or something. I mean, humans weren't huge, predators with claws or a means of attack until the development of tools, which wasn't a long period between tools and stagnant agriculture. Humans are believed to have been scavengers and, much the same as many primates today, quite fine at getting fruits and veggies to eat.

Like, it's not as if I'm refuting that eating meat in moderation is unhealthy, but you have to be worried about the quality of meat and what the cow was injected with and force-fed, than with GMO dangers. Meat farming is also a terribly destructive empire and sludge fest of pollution, extortion, and over-farming.

@HarryPotter:
Personally, I feel better and can't stand the sight/taste/smell of meat, but that's as personal as these cats loving bacon.

It's just, like when people make accusations about how incredibly unhealthy it is to eat this way, and then shame you for the choice, you know, you get defensive a bit. Especially when it's literally the opposite. And then we challenge them with sources, and then saying that you hate all vegans because they feel better than you. We just don't feel as ignorant as you. Must be hard going through life not being allowed to believe in evolution. (PS, that username is sac-relig (literally))