Any Vegans on the board?

[drumad]

I believe that's a WHO number. But it does seem VERY low.

In contrast, there is no need to eat meat 2-3 times a day for "protein." Especially considering all the fat/cholesterol that accompanies it.

Now instead of twice a day, I eat meat twice a week. So no "holier than thou" attitude here about it, you fucking douche HarryPotter.

I eat meat two to three times a day. Helps me maintain my 65/30/5 fat/protein/carb macros. I love this diet since I get to always eat high fiber vegs, which are my absolute favorite.

/ketotroll

[z31maniac]

what guideline are you going by with 23g protein/day? just curious

I believe that's a WHO number. But it does seem VERY low.

In contrast, there is no need to eat meat 2-3 times a day for "protein." Especially considering all the fat/cholesterol that accompanies it.

Now instead of twice a day, I eat meat twice a week. So no "holier than thou" attitude here about it, you fucking douche HarryPotter.

[herbivor]

^Dude, it's cool. Try some Kombucha to chill the nerves. The truth is, nutritional science is still evolving as more and more studies are being performed. No one has all the answers to what is the perfect diet for humans. Whatever diet causes a physical stress response, whether it's the Atkins diet or a vegan diet, is probably one to avoid for that individual.

[squidmaster]

You're nutts, you all feel that pompous and act that way toward us.

dude, you said "ancient men were as tall as we are today". which isn't true. 169cm/5'5".
You said they were tiny in the middle ages (again, wrong) in fact they were 173cm. during the 1700's (read: not the middle ages....) they shrank to a whopping 167cm.

those aren't romans or any shit, and it was the 1700's, bro. if you would have gone through and read the articles you would learn a ton of things that caused the height fluctuations rather than just yelling and arguing for no reason.

Here's LITERALLY what you said, "Ancient man was 6' tall, man of the middle ages was about 5'4. Look at old suits of armor--they're tiny. The men that started the French revolution sounded like 12 year old boys."
Here's the truth: Ancient ment were 169cm on average, middle ages was 175cm, and 1700's (which isn't the middle ages I have no idea where you're getting this from) were 167cm due to famine, poor growing conditions, and plagues.

I went back and read through your posts because I didn't know if I missed anything and wanted to apologize if I did. A few of the comments had wording similar to "I think..." in them, referring to a personal thought or belief, and none of them offered sources. You offered information in two of them (body building and height) and one was wrong (height).

You guys, you don't read or learn the information that's handed to you. you feel better than us at every step of the way still (somehow), and then you just go off and yell some more because you can't seem to comprehend what we're showing you, and you wonder why people don't take you seriously or act the way we do toward you. it's not a mystery-- it's based on your own actions.

[priapism]

For a body builder? Probably not.

For the average American, it's more than easy enough to get the recommended level of protein.


Quick example:

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm

I read through this, and it seems to be based on the RDA requirements. That's the problem. Most nutritionists perscribe a basic 40/30/30 macro nutrient split. The difficulty I see with the vegan diet isn't getting protein, it's getting it on it's own without more carbs and fats to achieve a decent ratio.

[priapism]

idk I just checked back through the thread and not much of it, aside from the body building, was information. Mostly thoughts.

Gee, thanks

The thing about the ancient men being tall was rubbish.

Actually, those links say ancient man was taller than man was in the 1700s, which is exactly what I said.

We just don't feel as ignorant as you. Must be hard going through life not being allowed to believe in evolution. (PS, that username is sac-relig (literally))

Wow, really not doing anything to refute the stereotype here. Hey, the rest of us don't feel as pompous as you!

[Ryan Stewart]

A fad that's been practiced for a few thousand years. Right.

It's such a fad that the majority of indians are vegetarian (something over 60% of the country).

I just love how the only people offering information, sources, or facts are the vegans or vegan supporters here....

I dont get my advice from India, they do some really stupid shit and have a horrific mortality rate. The fad of eating meat has also been around a long ass time and virtually every anthropologist/biologist/etc believes that the coversion from herbivore to omnivore is one of the the key factors leading to our increase in brain mass to body size ratio and the development of complex tools, language and social structures.

Hell, being omnivores might have been the one thing that really separated us from the apes. People quote opposable thumbs but there are primates with them (hell, even a rat and a few cats) and they dont drive E30s to work so obviously they did something wrong. Well, other than the large apes/gorillas, which have been known to have eaten meat (we should keep an eye on those fuckers).

You CAN replace meat and still create a complete protien chain. Insects are one option (every ape of every kind, even if they dont eat meat, eat insects) and a few rarer combinations of plant matter. However, its a greater challenge to get those protiens than it is to club a baby seal and eat its flesh.

[HarryPotter]

idk I just checked back through the thread and not much of it, aside from the body building, was information. Mostly thoughts.

The thing about the ancient men being tall was rubbish.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/b/2004/01/21/how-tall-were-the-ancients.htm

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/medimen.htm

As far as the hunter thing, I posted a link about it in a past post or something. I mean, humans weren't huge, predators with claws or a means of attack until the development of tools, which wasn't a long period between tools and stagnant agriculture. Humans are believed to have been scavengers and, much the same as many primates today, quite fine at getting fruits and veggies to eat.

Like, it's not as if I'm refuting that eating meat in moderation is unhealthy, but you have to be worried about the quality of meat and what the cow was injected with and force-fed, than with GMO dangers. Meat farming is also a terribly destructive empire and sludge fest of pollution, extortion, and over-farming.

@HarryPotter:
Personally, I feel better and can't stand the sight/taste/smell of meat, but that's as personal as these cats loving bacon.

It's just, like when people make accusations about how incredibly unhealthy it is to eat this way, and then shame you for the choice, you know, you get defensive a bit. Especially when it's literally the opposite. And then we challenge them with sources, and then saying that you hate all vegans because they feel better than you. We just don't feel as ignorant as you. Must be hard going through life not being allowed to believe in evolution. (PS, that username is sac-relig (literally))

What on earth are you talking about? My SN is fucking harrypotter... How on earth does that have anything to do with religion?

You just proved my point in your reply. "We just don't feel as ignorant as you." Seriously?

Who said I didn't believe in evolution? You're pretty much just pulling stuff out of your ass at this point.... Keep eating those healthy GMO foods. It's not like ya know they are proven to cause cancer or anything of the sort. It's people exactly like you that make a lot of people think that you guys are douche bags.

Yeah, take a look at this captain.... But that can't be because science is never, ever wrong!!

Keep eating all that soy filled shit.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/242516-Heart-Surgeon-Speaks-Out-On-What-Really-Causes-Heart-Disease

Stay away from those meats they give you cancer!!!

[squidmaster]

Am I on ignore?

idk I just checked back through the thread and not much of it, aside from the body building, was information. Mostly thoughts.

The thing about the ancient men being tall was rubbish.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/b/2004/01/21/how-tall-were-the-ancients.htm

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/medimen.htm

As far as the hunter thing, I posted a link about it in a past post or something. I mean, humans weren't huge, predators with claws or a means of attack until the development of tools, which wasn't a long period between tools and stagnant agriculture. Humans are believed to have been scavengers and, much the same as many primates today, quite fine at getting fruits and veggies to eat.

Like, it's not as if I'm refuting that eating meat in moderation is unhealthy, but you have to be worried about the quality of meat and what the cow was injected with and force-fed, than with GMO dangers. Meat farming is also a terribly destructive empire and sludge fest of pollution, extortion, and over-farming.

@HarryPotter:
Personally, I feel better and can't stand the sight/taste/smell of meat, but that's as personal as these cats loving bacon.

It's just, like when people make accusations about how incredibly unhealthy it is to eat this way, and then shame you for the choice, you know, you get defensive a bit. Especially when it's literally the opposite. And then we challenge them with sources, and then saying that you hate all vegans because they feel better than you. We just don't feel as ignorant as you. Must be hard going through life not being allowed to believe in evolution. (PS, that username is sac-relig (literally))

[HarryPotter]

http://zerotoherotv.com/blogs/entry/Monsanto-The-Seed-Monopoly-That-Caused-Genetically-Modified-Food-To-Start-Showing-Up-On-Nearly-Every-Dinner-Table-In-The-United-States

Yeah, you guys keep stuffing your faces with GMO foods. Oh you only buy organic? Well guess what. They are all monsanto seeds too, just without the pesticides. Almost all foods in the US are made with GMO seeds. The shit is terrible for you.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8148

The worst part of the vegan/vegetarian lifestyle is their fucking attitude towards people who eat meats. It's quite evident in this thread actually. Why you people think you're so fuckin high and mighty and on this massive pedestal is just absurd. You guys are even more annoying in real life.

So again keep stuffing your face with those fresh GMO fruits and veggies. Super healthy for ya. I'll keep eating whatever I want and not give a shit. You guys are just like atheists IMO. Act like they don't believe and shit yet they will rub one out while they talk down to anyone who doesn't follow their thought process.

Gah I hate vegans with a passion.

[FunfGan]

I have only read part of this, but I have only 1 comment; bacon fucking rocks, leafs do not.

[joshh]

A fad that's been practiced for a few thousand years. Right.

It's such a fad that the majority of indians are vegetarian (something over 60% of the country).

I just love how the only people offering information, sources, or facts are the vegans or vegan supporters here....

And? It's pointless.
My wife is almost a vegetarian. Because she doesn't like meat very much. Not for "health reasons". Those who go on those diets who think it's healthier are kidding themselves. Or the information they are reading is slanted.
So yes it's a fucking fad because it's not cultural. If they are doing it because of they culture that's entirely different but still pointless nutritionally.

[priapism]

A fad that's been practiced for a few thousand years. Right.

It's such a fad that the majority of indians are vegetarian (something over 60% of the country).

I just love how the only people offering information, sources, or facts are the vegans or vegan supporters here....

Am I on ignore?

[VinniE30]

haha

[imsotyerred]

I disagree

I am the same weight with the same muscle mass now, as I was when I was a meat eater. Workouts are also easier as I feel more energetic. I have more energy from the food supplying my muscles as opposed to aiding my body in the digestion of meats.

According to my weight, I am supposed to consume about 23 grams of protein per day. I am easily at about double of that with the consumption of things like chic peas (awesome snack when grilled and seasoned with chilli pepper and Mrs. Dash).

what guideline are you going by with 23g protein/day? just curious

guideline stated in my nutrition book sayeth 0.66g/kg bodyweight. are you a chinese trapese artist? 77 lbs is pretty small for a rough tough huge dude.

I don't doubt that you feel better/more energetic each day. I haven't ever gone full vegan so I can't fairly comment against it. I have done ovo/vegetarian for a bit and it felt fine but I can't help but think it's a placebo effect in that regard.

Again, I wasn't saying that you couldn't build/maintain muscle mass as a vege/vegan but one critical thing exists in meat that does not in veggies...natural creatine.

NOTE: i'm not advocating creatine powder supplementation. That shit may work for some people but i'm just not a fan of the idea. I'm an all natural kind of guy.

Creatine is critical to producing immense amounts of energy (ATP) very quickly which allows your muscles to contract forcefully and powerfully

EDIT: for the record, I'm 5'6. When I used whey protein powder (age 16) I would pop two heaping scoops into 16oz of water hitting me with roughly 60g of protein. this was once in the morning, once after my workout. did 6 days/week strength training, running/throwing around a lacrosse ball on Sunday - for one month straight. I also ate military academy-grade cafeteria food with, you betcha! plenty of chicken, beef, fish, tons of carbs. I only got up to about 150lb at 8-12% body fat. I stayed in great shape playing Lacrosse and Ultimate for the rest of highschool, probably about 5-7 hours per week all school year long, not really lifting much more...lots of plyometrics n such.

Freshman year of college I was working out a lot still but more like 6-12 hours of Ultimate(frisbee) practice/tournaments, 1 hour straight treadmill/bike, 3 hours of heavy lifting, and 3 hours of stretching/bodyweight/core exercises each week. Didn't supplement with whey protein at all but i used to spend a LOT of time in the dining hall eating eating eating. I got up to 170lbs <7% bodyfat in my prime. Gained more than I ever did using whey. Of course, this could be largely due to hormonal changes/finishing out puberty, dunno really. Alas, this was also during a wonderful time when I had 21 prepaid meals per week

/my experience using whey powder vs protein from food. do we have a bodybuilding/exercise/sports performance thread?